Hrm...[of fetuses (feti?) and such]

[Chris of Zewe]

You all consider abortion to be murder, correct? </rhetorical> In that case, wouldn't a miscarriage be considered manslaughter?

Wrong forum, but I'm not sure what the right one would be.

[philothea]

Miscarriage is death by natural causes, of course.

I suppose if a mother deliberately abused herself into miscarrying you could consider manslaughter.

[track2004]

Wasn't there a court case where a pregnant women was killed in a car crash and they charged the guy that hit her with 2 counts of manslaughter?

[IcePrincessKRS]

Looks like that question is settled. lol

And track, yeah, I've heard of that happening more than once.

[Sinner]

Poke fun if you will..... nonetheless, my sister is currently serving 15 yrs on a manslaughter charge in the Texas state pen due to her unfortunate miscarriage.

[Brother Adam]

I don't think anyone was poking fun, but if you are serious I'm sorry especially if she didn't intend for there to be a miscarriage.

[homeschoolmom]

Scott Peterson was charged with two counts of murder for the deaths of his wife and unborn son....

[avemaria40]

Misscarriage isn't manslaughter. that's like accusing someone of child abuse b/c some kid at school beat them up

[Chris of Zewe]

Accidentally killing someone can get you charged with manslaughter. [i]You[/i] people consider the lump of entirely dependent cells (a fetus) to be a human being. Miscarriage = manslaughter.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='avemaria40' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:41 AM']Misscarriage isn't manslaughter.  that's like accusing someone of child abuse b/c some kid at school beat them up
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miscarriage can be brought about by negligent or dangerous actions of the mother, or towards the mother. A woman who is beaten and has a miscarriage should be able to bring charges of manslaughter against her assailant.

Also, sometimes it just happens

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 11:21 AM']Accidentally killing someone can get you charged with manslaughter.  [i]You[/i] people consider the lump of entirely dependent cells (a fetus) to be a human being.  Miscarriage = manslaughter.
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only if the miscarriage was a result of negligent or dangerous actions.

[Brother Adam]

Accidentally, but through negligance. If I am plowing corn and someone is asleep in the corn where I cannot see them and plow under them killing them, I would not be convicted of a crime.

[i]You[/i] people have no understanding or respect for the dignity of life. and a statement such as "a lump of entirely dependent cells" shows shows ignorance beyond that of a normal 5 year old.

[Chris of Zewe]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:29 AM']Accidentally, but through negligance. If I am plowing corn and someone is asleep in the corn where I cannot see them and plow under them killing them, I would not be convicted of a crime.

[i]You[/i] people have no understanding or respect for the dignity of life. and a statement such as "a lump of entirely dependent cells" shows shows ignorance beyond that of a normal 5 year old.
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Can a fetus survive on its own, to any degree? Is it capable of intelligent thought? Is it able to do [i]anything[/i] that a normal, functioning human being can?

For clarity's sake, the answers are no, of course...

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 17 2005, 11:29 AM']Accidentally, but through negligance. If I am plowing corn and someone is asleep in the corn where I cannot see them and plow under them killing them, I would not be convicted of a crime.
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good point, didn't think of that.

As an aside, being plowed under would be really unpleasant.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 11:31 AM']Can a fetus survive on its own, to any degree?  Is it capable of intelligent thought?  Is it able to do [i]anything[/i] that a normal, functioning human being can?

For clarity's sake, the answers are no, of course...
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But if allowed to live and develop, it will be able to function on its own.

A four year old can't buy food for himself, he must be cared for. That does not render four year olds outside the realm of normal or functioning. Fetal development is the same as a period of development outside of the womb...

[Brother Adam]

Can a small child live on its own? Can the elderly live on their own? Can the handicapped live on their own? Are they sub-humans also?

Humans can be born and live pre-term, this is obvious even to the casual observer. Just because a human is receiving nutriution via an umbillical cord rather than suckling its mothers breast does not make it any less of a separate entity from its mother.

Never taken medical embryology eh? Don't worry, the pro-choice movement thrives on the idiocy of its members

[Brother Adam]

Of course it wouldn't surprise me if Chris was convinced that drugs aren't addictive cause the tabacco company told him so.

[Chris of Zewe]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:34 AM']But if allowed to live and develop, it will be able to function on its own.

A four year old can't buy food for himself, he must be cared for.  That does not render four year olds outside the realm of normal or functioning.  Fetal development is the same as a period of development outside of the womb...
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But it's not there yet, and therefore isn't a functioning human. A sperm cell has the potential to fertilize an egg cell and then to develop into a fetus which will develop into a human, but I'm sure you'd have no qualms with destroying one of each of those.

The concept of commerce is a purely human construct. The four-year-old is perfectly capable of eating and even gathering food and drink for himself to survive on. Aside from that, he is not [b]entirely[/b] dependent on the mother, like the fetus is.

[Chris of Zewe]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Sep 17 2005, 10:35 AM']Can a small child live on its own? Can the elderly live on their own? Can the handicapped live on their own? Are they sub-humans also?

Humans can be born and live pre-term, this is obvious even to the casual observer. Just because a human is receiving nutriution via an umbillical cord rather than suckling its mothers breast does not make it any less of a separate entity from its mother.

Never taken medical embryology eh? Don't worry, the pro-choice movement thrives on the idiocy of its members
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Yes, yes, and yes. They just have a significantly lower chance of surviving. As I said before, they're not entirely dependent on another for their survival, either. [b][i]And[/i][/b] they're capable of intelligent thought.

[quote]Of course it wouldn't surprise me if Chris was convinced that drugs aren't addictive cause the tabacco company told him so.[/quote]

But...I thought the tobacco company told me that they [b]are[/b] addictive...as has every teacher, cop, and Christian imperialist I've ever encountered.

Edited September 17, 2005 by Chris of Zewe

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Chris of Zewe' date='Sep 17 2005, 11:37 AM']But it's not there yet, and therefore isn't a functioning human.  A sperm cell has the potential to fertilize an egg cell and then to develop into a fetus which will develop into a human, but I'm sure you'd have no qualms with destroying one of each of those.

The concept of commerce is a purely human construct.  The four-year-old is perfectly capable of eating and even gathering food and drink for himself to survive on.  Aside from that, he is not [b]entirely[/b] dependent on the mother, like the fetus is.
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Read Bro. Adam's post.

The four year old is dependent on his mother for a place to live, sleep, eat, clothes, etc. Unless the child lives in a temperate area with a grove of fruit trees and animals that come up and say "kill and eat me", he's gonna need some help.

I would not destroy sex cells. I don't think I would be able to do anything with them. I would not have taken the sex cells out of the body in the first place. Nor would I condone a method to destroy them in the body, or render them unable to carry out their function.