should these woman be declared martyrs?

[homeschoolmom]

Can I just ask what is the benefit in having the label "martyr" ?

If I were murdered at the hands of God-hating aliens who told me to renounce my faith or die, I guess that would make me a martyr. But so what? Would having the label after my name change my standing before the Lord? No.

[Nathan]

I really don't think women who die during childbirth -- even if they willfully choose to go through with the birth knowing full-well that they may die in the process -- should or could be declared martyrs.

Should they be declared saints? I'm open to that.

[Didacus]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Sep 26 2005, 08:05 AM']Can I just ask what is the benefit in having the label "martyr" ?

If I were murdered at the hands of God-hating aliens who told me to renounce my faith or die, I guess that would make me a martyr. But so what? Would having the label after my name change my standing before the Lord? No.
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HSMom;

It does not change the standing before the Lord, the point is having the church honour them so that people can see the example they have set as being important and follow it.

[homeschoolmom]

But I can (and do) admire a woman who delivers her baby at great paril to herself without her needing a label...

[Didacus]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Sep 26 2005, 08:40 AM']But I can (and do) admire a woman who delivers her baby at great paril to herself without her needing a label...
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I would hold great respect to any woman with or without a 'label', and to tell you the truth, it would make no difference to my opinion of them either way. But I think that it is important to underline those amongst us who go to great lengths to live their lives morally. Such recognition can have an impact on society.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='737706' date='Sep 26 2005, 06:40 AM']But I can (and do) admire a woman who delivers her baby at great [b][color="#FF0000"][s]paril[/s][/color][/b] to herself without her needing a label...[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
peril.

[Majella]

I think as it is so easy nowadays for a woman with a risky pregnancy to have an abortion, a woman who continues such a pregnancy, is basically choosing her death.
It is a very heroic act, and I think you could call her a martyr, as she dies for her belief.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1706047' date='Nov 20 2008, 05:25 PM']+J.M.J.+
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Okay... first... who is bumping all the old threads... RED???

Second... I read your reply and the quote and thought... "Okay, who misspelled 'peril'?"

[Lil Red]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1706073' date='Nov 20 2008, 04:18 PM']Okay... first... who is bumping all the old threads... RED???

Second... I read your reply and the quote and thought... "Okay, who misspelled 'peril'?"

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+J.M.J.+
First, Didacus started it

and second

[Didacus]

I want a lawyer!

[Justin86]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1706941' date='Nov 21 2008, 09:41 PM']

I want a lawyer![/quote]
There hasn't been a Catholic lawyer since Thomas Moore. Looks like you're out of luck.

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[Apotheoun]

An attack upon any man is an attack upon the image of God (i.e., Christ), and so dying to defend another human being could be seen as an act of Christian faith, and by extension an act of martyrdom.