No gays in priesthood?

[hierochloe]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Sep 23 2005, 06:52 AM']cappie,

i think the artcile you posted is much more neutral and shows the views far better (at least on the Catholic side) than the previous one.

Note the difference:
we do not ordained with respect to rights, we done so by voaction or divine grace.  This is a 'complete' statement, not a partial one simply starting the absence of a right with could cause scandal amongst liberals (you know how sensistive those bleeding hearts can be).
ANd cmother, thanks for the comments.  Didacus corp. appreciates your continued support.;
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I see what you mean now and I agree. The presentation in the NYT is much more callus. I suppose I hear it that way so much that I'm desensitized. Though I do think that this sort of language falls into "skeptical journalism" as opposed to straight bias, as you will often find media reporting this way regardless of the topic and it's susceptibility for scandal. Lol, but this is off-topic....
[quote name='Didacus' date='Sep 23 2005, 06:52 AM']And Semalsia;  Anything built on the premise of a lie will crumble to nothing in the end. 
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Heh, I wanted to say exactly this but the words escaped me. Thx.

[Semalsia]

[quote]And Semalsia; Anything built on the premise of a lie will crumble to nothing in the end. If they lie their way in, God will be their judge and I fear for their judgement and would pray for their souls.[/quote]

My point was that you can't stop all those with homosexual tendencies from entering the priesthood. Some might lie, others may just be ignorant or in denial. And then there's the bisexuality thing too, you know.

And it seems obvious that those priests who engage in inappropriate behavior like pedophilia are not the ones who are openly homosexual, but those who hide it. So this won't spare you from future scandals. But I suppose that is not the (entire) reason for this...

[hierochloe]

There are lots of problems in the priesthood worthy of scandal really, no differently than other organizations.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Sep 23 2005, 01:34 PM']My point was that you can't stop all those with homosexual tendencies from entering the priesthood. Some might lie, others may just be ignorant or in denial. And then there's the bisexuality thing too, you know.

And it seems obvious that those priests who engage in inappropriate behavior like pedophilia are not the ones who are openly homosexual, but those who hide it. So this won't spare you from future scandals. But I suppose that is not the (entire) reason for this...
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The Boy Scouts have been doing it for years, so it is possible.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Sep 23 2005, 12:34 PM']My point was that you can't stop all those with homosexual tendencies from entering the priesthood. Some might lie, others may just be ignorant or in denial. And then there's the bisexuality thing too, you know.

And it seems obvious that those priests who engage in inappropriate behavior like pedophilia are not the ones who are openly homosexual, but those who hide it. So this won't spare you from future scandals. But I suppose that is not the (entire) reason for this...
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The error would be not to try, if success is not fully reached, that is another question.

Babysitting agencies are gong to screen their personnel for pedophilia, would you complain about that?

Oh but wait, pedophilia is good for the child... almost forgot. we are after all dealing with gray areas here.

[Semalsia]

[quote]The error would be not to try, if success is not fully reached, that is another question.

Oh but wait, pedophilia is good for the child... almost forgot. we are after all dealing with gray areas here.[/quote]

Oh sure, go ahead and try. I'm not against this at all. In fact, I think it's a good thing.

Pedophilia is most certainly not good for the children. It would be insane to think otherwise. Pedophiles are a bunch of perverts who do nothing but harm. There is no gray area here.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Sep 23 2005, 02:12 PM']Oh sure, go ahead and try. I'm not against this at all. In fact, I think it's a good thing.

Pedophilia is most certainly not good for the children. It would be insane to think otherwise. Pedophiles are a bunch of perverts who do nothing but harm. There is no gray area here.
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Wait, isn't that a value judgment? It's sad that you see this issue as so black-and-white. How can you call these people "perverts" and say they do "nothing but harm"? You shouldn't make such judgment on something you know nothing about!!

(Is it ok to hate pedophilia? Or is that a "slow death of the mind"?)

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[Socrates]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Sep 23 2005, 02:12 PM']Oh sure, go ahead and try. I'm not against this at all. In fact, I think it's a good thing.

Pedophilia is most certainly not good for the children. It would be insane to think otherwise. Pedophiles are a bunch of perverts who do nothing but harm. There is no gray area here.
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Homosexuality is most certainly not good for people. It would be insane to think otherwise. Homosexuals are a bunch of perverts who do nothing but harm. There is no gray area here.

[toledo_jesus]

why is everyone dumping on Semalsia?

[Socrates]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Sep 23 2005, 06:55 PM']why is everyone dumping on Semalsia?
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See the "gay marriage" thread for the answer.

[Semalsia]

Socrates,

The difference is that you appeal to some universal moral law and I just appeal to personal dislike. Yours requires justification, mine doesn't.

[Quietfire]

[quote]Vatican investigators have been instructed to visit each of the 229 seminaries in the United States.[/quote]

Ya know, I just read Goodbye, Goodmen and after reading that and then this particular line, all I could think of was...
Good luck.

Not being negative, because I see the Holy Spirit working in the Church to get through this but often in the book, many of these seminaries would "clean up" before company showed.

[MC Just]

[quote name='Quietfire' date='Sep 24 2005, 12:04 PM']Ya know, I just read Goodbye, Goodmen and after reading that and then this particular line, all I could think of was...
Good luck.

Not being negative, because I see the Holy Spirit working in the Church to get through this but often in the book, many of these seminaries would "clean up" before company showed.
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i said the same thing in another thread and almost got nailed for it.

[jasJis]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Sep 24 2005, 11:53 AM']Socrates,

The difference is that you appeal  to some universal moral law and I just appeal to personal dislike. Yours requires justification, mine doesn't.
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Choosing a bias based on personal dislike is bigotry and prejudice. Expecting others to agree with you is Fascism.
How unfortunate.

[CatholicAndFanatical]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 23 2005, 03:12 PM']Wait, isn't that a value judgment? It's sad that you see this issue as so black-and-white. How can you call these people "perverts" and say they do "nothing but harm"? You shouldn't make such judgment on something you know nothing about!!
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Maybe im missing the sarcasm, but why [b]wouldnt[/b] you think this?? Its one thing to say 'Love the sinner, hate the sin' but you have to call a spade a spade.

Maybe someone should explain what a 'judgement' is, huh. He didnt say they were going to hell, just that what they are doing is perverse and wrong. Nothing wrong with that.

I think those types of people should be castrated and sent to prison for the rest of their lives. We definitly need harsher punishment for them, even the first time offenders.

[Semalsia]

[quote name='jasJis']Choosing a bias based on personal dislike is bigotry and prejudice. Expecting others to agree with you is Fascism.[/quote]

Having personal dislike and calling it univeral moral law is delusional. And, um, christians are the expecting others to agree with them, not me. They evangelize and tell those that don't agree that they are going to hell.

And talk about fascism. Catholics are the ones having an "infallible" dictator and book burnings.

And my personal dislike is against harming others. Pedophilia does harm.

[Semalsia]

[quote name='CatholicAndFanatical']He didnt say they were going to hell, just that what they are doing is perverse and wrong. Nothing wrong with that.[/quote]

She is being accused of being a contradictory when accepting homosexuality but not pedophilia.

But I don't see it. Those two things have nothing in common.

[Guest T-Bone]

[Duc_In_Altum]

[quote]Homosexuals are a bunch of perverts who do nothing but harm. [/quote]

I'm not sure if i'm reading this thread correctly, but is this statement actually being [i]defended[/i]?


-Joe

[Didacus]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Sep 23 2005, 02:12 PM']Oh sure, go ahead and try. I'm not against this at all. In fact, I think it's a good thing.

Pedophilia is most certainly not good for the children. It would be insane to think otherwise. Pedophiles are a bunch of perverts who do nothing but harm. There is no gray area here.
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Oh Semalsia, you're so closed minded and misguided. Pedophilia is great! And it is beneficial to the child.

1. Wouldn't you rather the children learn sexual responsibility from a loving caring adult rather than learn it on the streets?

2. How can someone expect to attain full sexual liberty without being guided to openess towards all forms of sexual behavior in a respectful mature manner. This needs to be taught at an early age when the child is open to learn, not after hitting puberty. what is that syaing. sex before eight, before tis too late.

Besides, the Romans and Greeks and ancient Japan built empires on practicing pedophilia. A quick read on the subject and you will see that none of these empires would have been succesful without it: and that's a fact! Those dudes with the PhDs and stuff cna't be wrong can they?




Truth is Semalsia, as soon as you take the 'victim' element out of the child, the arguments to support pedophilia become strickingly similar to those justifying homosexuality, and any old jerk can splurt confusing statements that will blurr reasoning. A truth needs to be found that cannot be moved (the Catholic church holds such truth). If the truth you hold cna be moved an inch, it will be moved a yard, simply because it can be moved. Sooner or later the truth you once held will be nothing more than an array of confusing seemingly holding no truth at all