Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 so you are the oppisite of over 1 billion people? new record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Sep 25 2005, 09:05 PM']That is not true...you know stuff.... Who is my opposite? I would probably have to say that there are two types of people who fall into that category...... 1. Protestants 2. Schismatics (whether they admit they are or not) [right][snapback]737434[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What about atheists, neo-pagans, agnostics, apostate "Catholics"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 how about everyone in the world who is not catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 25 2005, 10:18 PM']What about atheists, neo-pagans, agnostics, apostate "Catholics"? [right][snapback]737454[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What about them? If they are formal in their dissent, then yes. If they are material in their dissent then no. Notice that the groupings were not broad at all. They were very specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Sep 25 2005, 10:21 PM']how about everyone in the world who is not catholic. [right][snapback]737459[/snapback][/right] [/quote] How about not. Not all non-Catholics are wrong in their thinking....there are those out there who don't know better. They may not have been taught or they may have no natural or formal knowledge of what it means to belong to the Church.... I am not opposite of them. Baptism of Desire, Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Sep 25 2005, 09:26 PM']What about them? If they are formal in their dissent, then yes. If they are material in their dissent then no. Notice that the groupings were not broad at all. They were very specific. [right][snapback]737464[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Just that I'd consider most people in the above categories to be more opposite to my Catholic beleifs than Protestants or Schismatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 25 2005, 10:28 PM']Just that I'd consider most people in the above categories to be more opposite to my Catholic beleifs than Protestants or Schismatic. [right][snapback]737467[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Good, then we now know who your opposites are. Thanks for your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tojo Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 liberal anti-Catholic cessationist Protestants, would be about the complete opposite of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Catholics Non Catholics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zabbazooey Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 my opposite: non practicing catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeDee Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 [quote name='tomasio127' date='Sep 25 2005, 04:14 PM']The Charismatic Renewal is not just about praise songs, although Charismatics tend to like them. I must say that as far as my cup of tea goes, I much prefer charismatic masses where people SING faithfilled praise songs, than most of the others masses around here where people MUMBLE songs that are neither praise nor beautiful old hymns, I don't know what to call them. [right][snapback]737337[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Thank you, Tomasio! I think a lot of people don't understand the Charismatic Renewal, have never been to a Charismatic Mass or Charismatic convention Mass celebrated by a Bishop or Cardinal as I have. Two years ago I was at a Charismatic convention Mass celebrated by Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles, and having said that I imagine there is approval of the Charismatic Renewal or he wouldn't have presided. Plus, Fr. Stan Fortuna always appears and a speaker, singer, celebrant, and BTW Phatmass is a link on his website. Also, Pope JP II was very enthusiastic about the Charismatic Renewal, so it isn't something sacreligious, weird, or non-Catholic. Be gentle, folks, it's just another form of worshiping God. Maybe not the way YOU worship, but viva la difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 What a lovely thread I've discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeyman Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 QUOTE(toledo_jesus @ Sep 22 2005, 10:39 PM) charismatics. I'm a very strait-laced Catholic. * [quote name='dspen2005' date='Sep 22 2005, 09:43 PM']yeah right.... you were the one who started clapping during the recessional at Mass.... weren't you???? [right][snapback]734851[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Your mother will be thrilled : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 [quote name='DeeDee' date='Sep 26 2005, 05:19 PM']Two years ago I was at a Charismatic convention Mass celebrated by Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles, [right][snapback]738190[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Is that supposed to support your argument? You may want to find someone more credible than the Archbishop of the Raj Mahal to support you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tojo Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Well, I don't know much about Cardinal Mahoney, but I do know that our previous Bishop established a charismatic parish as a personal parish of the Bishop, and our current Bishop maintains that status and is very supportive us. He finds us to be a blessing to the dioceses, have the highest per capita financial giving and the most vocations, period of all our parishes. Since our building was finished four years ago, our number of parishioners has increased by 60%. As I've mentioned on phatmass before, we're also widely regarded as one of the most conservative, orthodox, and traditional parishes in the diocese. "By their fruit you shall know them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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