Pope meets with Hans Kung

[Era Might]

[url="http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/bn092605.htm"]http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/bn092605.htm[/url]

Take the perspective of the report with the requisite grain of salt, in light of the source.

[quote]A Sept. 26 statement from the Vatican did not say who had requested the meeting, but said that it took place in a "friendly climate" and that Benedict XVI offered special support for Küng's efforts to build a Weltethos, or a moral framework based on values shared among religions which can also be recognized by secular reason.

Both parties agreed, according to the statement, that it did not make sense to go into the "persistent doctrinal questions" between Küng and the magisterium of the Catholic church.

At one level, the meeting was a reunion of old friends who taught together at the famous German theology faculty of Tübingen during the 1960s. In fact, it was Küng who hired then-Fr. Joseph Ratzinger at Tübingen, luring him away from a position at the University of Münster; the two men served together as periti, or theological experts for the German bishops, at the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), where they were part of the broad progressive majority. At Tübingen they had a standing weekly dinner appointment on Thursday evenings to discuss a journal that they edited together.[/quote]

Edited September 26, 2005 by Era Might

[Jaime]

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Kung been pretty good and obedient since he was shushed back in the 80s?

[Era Might]

I don't know.

He hasn't been excommunicated or anything like that, as far as I know. The article notes doctrinal difficulties. What they are, I'm not sure.

Edited September 26, 2005 by Era Might

[homeschoolmom]

I thought this thread was (I'm not kidding) about the Holy Father meeting that loser guy from American Idol.

[Era Might]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Sep 26 2005, 05:43 PM']I thought this thread was (I'm not kidding) about the Holy Father meeting that loser guy from American Idol.
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William Hung?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Era Might' date='Sep 26 2005, 04:43 PM']William Hung?


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Yes--

[Jaime]

[quote name='Era Might' date='Sep 26 2005, 04:43 PM']William Hung?


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THAT WOULD ROCK!!!

"She bang... she bang (something indecipherable)"

[ReinnieR]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Sep 27 2005, 01:43 AM']I thought this thread was (I'm not kidding) about the Holy Father meeting that loser guy from American Idol.
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chill htat "loser guy" is my idol i don't know if everybody remembers my sig [img]http://tiamzon.net/images/13.jpg[/img]

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[Jaime]

Keep low Reinnier!! We're praying for you!!

[homeschoolmom]

I didn't really mean that he was a "loser guy" but rather "that guys who's best known for losing on American Idol." Personally, I think he's got more guts than I have.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Sep 26 2005, 04:47 PM']THAT WOULD ROCK!!!

"She bang... she bang (something indecipherable)"
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Sorry. Did NOT mean to hijack...


Okay, maybe a little...

[ReinnieR]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Sep 27 2005, 01:51 AM']Keep low Reinnier!! We're praying for you!!
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thanks hot stuff

pham please keep me in your prayers

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
9/26 - Sts. Cosmas and Damien

I think there might be a hidden undertone of forgiveness - this proves that Benedict is a forgiving man. Hans Küng made some AWFUL remarks about Ratzinger shortly after his election (to the tune that Ratzinger manipulated the conclave to his favor and that he would be an awful Pope).

I <3 Benedict XVI!

[Jaime]

That and the fact that Kung is a notorious Green Bay Packer fan.

One more example of how the Holy Father is a better man than I!

[Nathan]

[quote name='Era Might' date='Sep 26 2005, 04:42 PM']He hasn't been excommunicated or anything like that, as far as I know. The article notes doctrinal difficulties. What they are, I'm not sure.
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No, Kung has never been excommunicated -- he remains a priest in good standing -- but he can no longer teach Catholic theology.

I believe that Kung has denied papal infallibility numerous times. I've also heard that he has denied the divinity of Christ -- I don't know if that's true or not.

[dspen2005]

that's interesting that you mentioned he was a priest -- the article makes no mention of it. IN fact, it addresses him as Professor Hans Kung

[jezic]

kung is a priest?

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='jezic' date='Sep 26 2005, 08:28 PM']kung is a priest?
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Unfortunately.

He is a heretic and in need of many prayers.

[cappie]

From Zenit.......

Hans Küng Has a Friendly Talk With Benedict XVI
Meeting Sidesteps Theologian's Differences With Magisterium

VATICAN CITY, SEPT. 26, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI had a private conversation with dissident Swiss theologian Hans Küng on subjects the latter has been researching in recent times.

The private meeting took place Saturday in the papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo. Vatican spokesman Joaquín Navarro Valls revealed details of the conversation this afternoon.

"The meeting unfolded in a friendly atmosphere," stated the Vatican spokesman's communiqué.
"Both agreed that it made no sense, in the framework of the meeting, to enter into a dispute on the persistent doctrinal differences between Hans Küng and the magisterium of the Catholic Church."

According to Navarro Valls, the meeting centered on two topics: the foundation of a "world ethic," and the dialogue of the reason of the natural sciences with the reason of the Christian faith.

Küng, 77, was suspended in 1979 from teaching theology in Catholic faculties by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, before Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger became its prefect.

Both theologians have known each other since 1957, when Joseph Ratzinger published a review of Küng's doctoral thesis. As he explains in his autobiography, the future Benedict XVI did not share much of Küng's thesis, but they enjoyed a good personal relationship.

'69 appointment

At the request and insistence of Küng, Father Ratzinger was appointed professor of dogmatic theology at the University of Tuebingen in 1969, where Küng taught.

According to the communiqué on the meeting, written in German, "Professor Küng emphasized that his project of a 'world ethic' is far from being an abstract intellectual construct; but that it manifests the values on which the great religions of the world converge, despite all the differences, and which can be perceived as valid criteria -- given their convincing reasonable character -- by secular reason.

"The Pope appreciated professor Küng's effort to contribute to a renewed recognition of the essential values of humanity through the dialogue of religions and the meeting with secular reason.

"He underlined that the commitment for renewed awareness of the fundamental values of human life is also an important objective of his pontificate."

Cardinal Ratzinger demonstrated that he was very familiar with Küng's proposal for a world ethic in the debate he had with philosopher Jürgen Habermas on Jan. 19, 2004, by initiative of the Catholic Academy of Bavaria in Munich.

Dialogue

In his meeting with his old friend, the Pope also reaffirmed "his agreement with Professor Küng's intention to revive the dialogue between faith and the natural sciences and to assert, in relation with scientific thought, the sensibleness and the necessity of the question on God."

"For his part," the Vatican note added, "Professor Küng applauded the Pope's efforts to foster the dialogue of religions and also the meeting with different social groups of the modern world."
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[Nathan]

[quote name='dspen2005' date='Sep 26 2005, 06:50 PM']that's interesting that you mentioned he was a priest -- the article makes no mention of it.  IN fact, it addresses him as Professor Hans Kung
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Kung is indeed a priest -- he was ordained in the 1950's and, as I say, remains a priest in good standing.

Just so you know, theologians (professors of theology) are usually priests.