What do you mean when you say you...

[Jaime]

The war is wrong. It was not a just war going into it and cannot be rationalized into a just war now.

That being said the men and women that signed on to defend our country are doing something that I never had to or chose to do. So they get my admiration, respect and thanks.


And George Bush is a ding dong.

[CatholicAndFanatical]

wow, alot of stuff getting thrown around here..

What do I mean when I say I support our Troops but not the war?

Simple, its not the soldiers fault they have to fight a war that shouldnt be..at least in Iraq. They are doing what they are told, just what they signed up for.

However, Lets not have another Vietnam where the soldiers were not supported and became the victims of anti-war protest and carp.

I know a few people, my dad being one of them, that fought in Veitnam..one thing he told me about the war is that people hated them. 'They didnt throw a parade for us when we came home, they gave us protests'.

So get it straight..The soldiers are not a fault, so we must support what they are doing and hope and pray they get home safely. The last thing they need to have on their minds is non support from the people they are representing.

The people responsible is the Bush Administration. They are the ones people should be upset at.

My question still stands..whatever happened to Osama?

Whats Bush say? 'I dont know where he is, I dont think about it much anymore'

so the person responsible for 9/11 is going free, while Haliburton, Saudi, and the Bush family get even wealthier.

I'm with hot stuff..

George Bush is a ding dong.

[dspen2005]

i suppose one could argue that since the troops merely do what they are told, then we can support the troops. but since we do not agree with the order they are being told to carry, we can be against that. e.g. a grandmother doesn't necessarily agree with the means by which her daughter disciplines her children on one particular point, but she still supports her daughter as a mother to her children.

[dspen2005]

isn't it too bad that we can't have Bush for another 4 more years????

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='dspen2005' date='Sep 30 2005, 04:25 PM']isn't it too bad that we can't have Bush for another 4 more years????
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oh no no no...
I think 8 years is plenty. I'm sure the President thinks so too!
Have you ever noticed how much they age in office?

[Jaime]

[quote name='dspen2005' date='Sep 30 2005, 03:25 PM']isn't it too bad that we can't have Bush for another 4 more years????
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Bush has one job. Two prolife supreme court justices. If he does it, he had a successful presidency. If not, he's failed.

That's it.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Sep 30 2005, 09:07 PM']Bush has one job.  Two prolife supreme court justices.  If he does it, he had a successful presidency.  If not, he's failed.

That's it.
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In all fairness, I don't think we can say that's all. Yes, it's the key issue, but there are more things...nothing more important, no, and yes, that is an all or nothing issue, but if George Bush could make gay marriage illegal, or work for a worldwide ban on cloning, etc., he would still go down in the books as a very good president.

[Jaime]

This is solely my opinion on the matter

Hypothetically speaking Bush could

end terrorism
bring gas to $1.00 a gallon
cut my taxes in half
Make it a federally mandated law that Sandra Bullock go out with me

And not put two prolife SCJs on the bench and I would consider his presidency a failure.

Conversely

Gas could go up to $10 a gallon
we could lose all our individual rights in the name of fighting terrorism
Send the deficit into the bazillions
devalue the US dollar to mere pennies
Make it a federally mandated law that no one ever go out with me ( that may be on the books already)

And put two two prolife SCJs on the bench and I would consider his presidency a success.

[dspen2005]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Sep 30 2005, 05:07 PM']oh no no no...
I think 8 years is plenty.  I'm sure the President thinks so too!
Have you ever noticed how much they age in office?
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he can take it...

ok, so if not bush-himself... at least someone bush-esque (preferrably CATHOLIC)

[dspen2005]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Sep 30 2005, 09:40 PM']This is solely my opinion on the matter

Hypothetically speaking Bush could

end terrorism
bring gas to $1.00 a gallon
cut my taxes in half
Make it a federally mandated law that Sandra Bullock go out with me

And not put two prolife SCJs on the bench and I would consider his presidency a failure. 

Conversely

Gas could go up to $10 a gallon
we could lose  all our individual rights in the name of fighting terrorism
Send the deficit into the bazillions
devalue the US dollar to mere pennies
Make it a federally mandated law that no one ever go out with me ( that may be on the books already)

And put two two prolife SCJs on the bench and I would consider his presidency a success.
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i get the feeling that you do not like Bush -- is my intuition correct?

[Jaime]

[quote name='dspen2005' date='Sep 30 2005, 08:41 PM']i get the feeling that you do not like Bush -- is my intuition correct?
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I do not like the way Bush is running our country.

However, if he does add one more prolife justice (like Roberts) you will never ever hear me utter anything negative about him or his term in office.

I mean that sincerely!

[Socrates]

This thread looks like it has turned into typical Democratic v. Republican squabbling but just a few points.

1) Whatever one thinks about this war, it is quite possible to be against a war, but support the troops. I myself tend to think the Iraq war was misguided (and I'm a "conservative extremist"). However, I don't root for the enemy. I wish the American troops the best and hope that they win. I have little sympathy for Mohammedist scumbags we are fighting.
There is a vast difference for thinking it was not worth going into a particular war, and rooting against one's own countrymen.

2) Snarf, every war is fought largely by the young, and most eighteen-year-olds (yes, even those from "conservative, low-income families" as you so patronizingly state) realize that being a soldier means the chance of dying. This is what being in the military is about. I realized it when I began OCS. What do you want to raise the age of military service to? Should wars be fought only by grizzled, hardened veterans?

3) hot stuff, the President can have little effect on things like gas prices. Such things are part of the economy, and beyond any president's control. If President Bush (or any other politician) could magically lower gas prices, I assure you, he'd do it (think how much that would boost his popularity!)

[Jaime]

I agree with much of what you said Socrates save the gas issue.

The price of gas went up while the price of crude was going down just prior to the war on Iraq. Why? Based on speculation of a possible shortage due to the war. That is a direct effect of Bush's presidency. Oil companies have seen record profits from this. Bush has never denied his ties to oil.

Prices have continued to rise. It is directly due to the impact of the war.

[hierochloe]

With all the probs oil causes, hydrogen can't get here fast enough...

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='Sep 30 2005, 02:51 PM']
However, Lets not have another Vietnam where the soldiers were not supported and became the victims of anti-war protest and carp.

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amen!

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Oct 1 2005, 12:02 AM']I agree with much of what you said Socrates save the gas issue. 

The price of gas went up while the price of crude was going down just prior to the war on Iraq.  Why?  Based on speculation of a possible shortage due to the war.  That is a direct effect of Bush's presidency.    Oil companies have seen record profits from this.  Bush has never denied his ties to oil.

Prices have continued to rise.  It is directly due to the impact of the war.
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right ----we went to war for oil!
beaver dam Bush!

[Lounge Daddy]

[Jaime]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Oct 1 2005, 12:05 AM']right ----we went to war for oil!
beaver dam Bush!
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Didn't say that. I said that the war had a direct effect on oil prices and I'm right.

[White Knight]

Well since this thread went West instead of East, I would comment on the actually title and what I think but that seems to be no longer the case.


Bush has done a decent job, he isn't the best President we've had, nor is he the worst, However in order to find out his results of his administration and find them out accurately we cannot make a fair judgement until January 2009 or 2010. when hes clearly out of office and his long term policies kick in. because thats what really counts.

[hierochloe]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Oct 1 2005, 08:12 AM']Didn't say that.  I said that the war had a direct effect on oil prices and I'm right.
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That's a no-brainer. Nearly everything has an effect on the price of oil and gasoline. gouge gouge gouge