A Priest, A Nun, and Their Son

[Craftygrl06]

If anyone was watching the Today show this morning around 8am you probably saw the segment i'm talking about. Katie Curric was interveiwing this guy, Peter Monseau? I think his name was. Anyways he's written a book called "Vows:a priest, a nun, and their son." This man's mother is a former nun and her husbanb, a former priest. His book is about his life as an "outcast in the church" he loves so much he "has to change it." He's lobbying for priests and nuns to be able to marry. He said he had considered the priesthood but just could do it because it would mean GIVING UP a wife and family. He just couldn't be called to give anything up. That would be a sacarifice and sacarifice has apparently become sometihng terrible. UGH!!!
It was just sort of irritating...does anyone else get as annoys as I do when people use the line "I love the church so much I can't leave it, I'm goin to fight to change it" Hmmmmm.... I'm sorry this weather make sme grouchy

[Lil Red]

yeah, i saw it. from the book (the excerpt i read) it sounded like his father started a cult kinda.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Craftygrl06' date='Oct 14 2005, 03:14 PM']If anyone was watching the Today show this morning around 8am you probably saw the segment i'm talking about.  Katie Curric was interveiwing this guy, Peter Monseau? I think his name was.  Anyways he's written a book called "Vows:a priest, a nun, and their son."  This man's mother is a former nun and her husbanb, a former priest.  His book is about his life as an "outcast in the church" he loves so much he "has to change it."  He's lobbying for priests and nuns to be able to marry.  He said he had considered the priesthood but just could do it because it would mean GIVING UP a wife and family.  He just couldn't be called to give anything up.  That would be a sacarifice and sacarifice has apparently become sometihng terrible.  UGH!!!   
It was just sort of irritating...does anyone else get as annoys as I do when people use the line "I love the church so much I can't leave it, I'm goin to fight to change it"  Hmmmmm.... I'm sorry this weather make sme grouchy
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He has been affected by his parents lack of committment to their vows.

[photosynthesis]

that is so sad..

[musturde]

If he really wanted to marry, he should have joined an eastern rite...btw what's the point of a nun being married? Why would a person want to be a nun if she's married anyways? Wouldnt that be the equivalence of a monk being married?

[djc08]

I saw the book in Barnes and Noble the other day. It really astounds me that someone thinks they can change 2000 years of tradition and even things Paul wrote about in 1 Corinthians.

Let's pray for him instead of being mad at him!

Peace,
Dan

[Aloysius]

when I read that, it sounded like he meant priests and nuns should only be allowed to marry each other... I was like woah that's messed up.

I don't understand at all. He's basically saying they should be able to break a vow, a solemn promise to God Almighty. if you wanna be a married "nun", join one of those 3rd order franciscan communities or something. now, you shouldn't go join an eastern right if you wanna be a marired priest, cause a rite switch has to reflect a shift in your entire theological and ritualistic paradigm of thought, so you really should just choose.

[zunshynn]

What makes a nun a nun if she's married? That's just bizarre. I mean, what's his definition of a nun?

Edited October 14, 2005 by zunshynn

[Snarf]

Actually Dan, there were married priests until the 11th Century. Celibacy vows did exist, but they were strictly optional.

[Guest JeffCR07]

[quote name='Snarf' date='Oct 14 2005, 06:19 PM']Actually Dan, there were married priests until the 11th Century.  Celibacy vows did exist, but they were strictly optional.
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There are still married Catholic priests. Just not in the Roman Rite.

[avemaria40]

if a nun got married, that would be an oxymoron, b/c isn't she supposed to give her life to Christ and be His spouse?

[Thumper]

[quote name='JeffCR07' date='Oct 14 2005, 11:16 PM']There are still married Catholic priests. Just not in the Roman Rite.
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There are some exceptions. For instance, a married, Lutheran pastor who converted to Catholicism was allowed to be ordained the priesthood. His name is Fr. Larry Blake, at he is a pastor at St. Hubert's in Chanhassen, MN--Roman Rite.

[Thumper]

Edited for being an exact replica of the post above.

Edited October 15, 2005 by Thumper

[Cam42]

[quote name='Thumper' date='Oct 15 2005, 12:44 PM']There are some exceptions.  For instance, a married, Lutheran pastor who converted to Catholicism was allowed to be ordained the priesthood.  His name is Fr. Larry Blake, at he is a pastor at St. Hubert's in Chanhassen, MN--Roman Rite.
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Yep, I know him too.....he is a good priest. There are others too.....Rev. Burns Seeley of the Society of St. John Cantius is a married man as well. Also the Anglican Use priests are Latin Rite. While it is not the norm, concessions are made, even for the Roman Rite.

Also, the book listed above is nutso.....

[avemaria40]

I always get in a debate w/ ppl about priestly celibacy, w/ Catholic fam and friends who think married priests would draw more ppl to become priests b/c "it won't be so hard for them" and also, w/Protestant friends who are accustomed to married ministers. I believe a celibate priesthood is good, b/c he can devote himself to God and his ppl more fully

[Guest T-Bone]

It's all about sacrifice people!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus never said giving your life over to him would be easy...

[Jabberwocky]

I read a book this summer by Madeliene L'Engle called "A Severed Wasp", I believe. In it there was an Episcopal bishop. Apparently Episcopal priests can marry, and nuns can be priests...it somewhat disturbed me a bit.

Anyway, the system just seemed more prone to corruption, without people realizing the corruption. One of the bishops got divorced and remarried. Do I make sense? Granted, it was only a novel...

I forgot what point I was trying to make

[MichaelFilo]

I think the vows should be optional for priests, as it seems more appropriate. However, what is a married nun? A good wife, I suppose. (Please before jumping the gun and telling me nuns are married to Jesus in a spiritual way, we know. I think you know what I meant as well).

But seriously, optional vows wouldn't be a horrid thing from hell. However, I don't think it would be prudent now for the Church to give more concessions to modernization and liberalization.

God bless,
Mikey

[Aloysius]

married priests would mean, if we wanted to still keep disciplines so that our priests could become holy like Christ through self denial, that we would have to give up daily mass. because where they allow the ordination of married men (there is no marriage of ordained men allowed anywhere ever, that's unchangeable, it would be an invalid matrimony) they generally have disciplines of abstinence from sex for a certain time before offering the sacrifice of the mass ( I think 24 hrs, or maybe more... 2 days maybe? I forget the disciplines)

so unless they're not going to be consumating their marriage ever, they couldn't be offering mass every day.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Oct 16 2005, 07:49 PM']married priests would mean, if we wanted to still keep disciplines so that our priests could become holy like Christ through self denial, that we would have to give up daily mass.  because where they allow the ordination of married men (there is no marriage of ordained men allowed anywhere ever, that's unchangeable, it would be an invalid matrimony) they generally have disciplines of abstinence from sex for a certain time before offering the sacrifice of the mass ( I think 24 hrs, or maybe more... 2 days maybe?  I forget the disciplines)

so unless they're not going to be consumating their marriage ever, they couldn't be offering mass every day.
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Where did you here this one? :

Edited October 17, 2005 by cmotherofpirl