our interactions with Homosexuals in our community

[Jaime]

[quote]where eating maggots will be the closest they will come to fulfilling their hungers[/quote]

Apparently Joe Rogan rules in hell

[photosynthesis]

who's Joe Rogan?

[Jaime]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Oct 17 2005, 12:51 AM']who's Joe Rogan?
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The host of the show "Fear Factor"

[photosynthesis]

oh. and I call myself a comm + media studies major.

the only shows I watch on TV are EWTN, PBS and the news...

[track2004]

I think a lot of the time a reaction a gay kid gets to coming out in the Church is a lot different than other people coming out with their disorders. For example, lets say a guy admitted he was an alcoholic, people treat him with compassion and take him to AA and generally understand, or at least empathize. But if the same guy came out and said he liked boys people would tell him he's going to hell, that the way he felt was wrong point blank. I think they'd be less supportative of any effort on his part to move away from his SSA and that they'd always keep a learing eye on him. I think homosexuality and SSA are things people are scared of and things they haven't had much contact with. Alcoholism they can deal with, alcoholism is a 'normal' problem, as in 'normal' people get it, but SSA is a disorder and a person isn't 'normal' if they are gay.

That's just how I feel, or what I've seen. In my generation it's less, but I know a lot of kids I grew up with that would have major problems with my gay friends. There wouldn't me compassion or understanding or room for change, just rejection and maybe contempt.

[Era Might]

[quote]But if the same guy came out and said he liked boys people would tell him he's going to hell, that the way he felt was wrong point blank.[/quote]

I think you're wrong. Period. Such a person would receive the same compassionate help as an alcoholic. The priest or someone else at the parish would gladly drive him to Courage. They would also tell an alcoholic point blank that his drinking is wrong.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Era Might' date='Oct 17 2005, 06:51 AM']I think you're wrong. Period. Such a person would receive the same compassionate help as an alcoholic. The priest or someone else at the parish would gladly drive him to Courage. They would also tell an alcoholic point blank that his drinking is wrong.
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Courage isn't all over the place like AA. there are a lot of priests and other Catholics out there that don't even know it exists, sadly. And speaking as someone who doesn't have a car and depends on others for rides, it's very hard to get a ride anywhere.

[Catholic Fanatic]

Remeber the Jesus Christ, the Terrible Judge Himself, preached fire and brimstone. He taught of wailing and gnashing of teeth and not being released until the last penny has been paid, which can never happen.

Would you all would be out there telling the Judge Himself to be more PC?

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Edited October 17, 2005 by cmotherofpirl

[Jaime]

[quote name='Catholic Fanatic' date='Oct 17 2005, 08:27 AM']Remeber the Jesus Christ, the Terrible Judge Himself, preached fire and brimstone. He taught of wailing and gnashing of teeth and not being released until the last penny has been paid, which can never happen.

Would you all would be out there telling the Judge Himself to be more PC?

Your passive nature is venially sinful at best...
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Strangely enough, Jesus never talked about homosexuality.

However the Church does. But I don't recall where the Church has declared it to be a mortal sin not to reprimand the homosexual. Care to elaborate?

Also


maggots?

[dspen2005]

Ubi caritas, Deus ibi est....

please exercise charity in this thread. The questions i asked are meant to be intellectually engaging and are intended to make u think critically about the reasons and premises upon which you base your beliefs and ground yourself in the Faith.

Edited October 17, 2005 by dspen2005

[Jaime]

Dispen

When you talk about children using epithets on the playground. Are you suggesting that they are picking up that someone is a homosexual?

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Catholic Fanatic' date='Oct 17 2005, 09:27 AM']Remeber the Jesus Christ, the Terrible Judge Himself, preached fire and brimstone. He taught of wailing and gnashing of teeth and not being released until the last penny has been paid, which can never happen.

Would you all would be out there telling the Judge Himself to be more PC?

Your passive nature is venially sinful at best...
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ok, firstly we must chill out. You're coming on a bit strong here, and this board is a positive place. So, if you do want to condemn someone do it privately.

Secondly, I think we are failing to address the questions posed by dspen2005. WHY do we innately (if we innately) recognize homosexuality as disordered? Why is it that children on the playground readily recognize that to be called a homosexual is an insult? I mean, when you explain homosexuality you can only do it one way, because it is the only defining characteristic of the condition: homosexuals have sex with people of the same sex. There's no positive spin here that I can see. So why are we slightly repulsed by that suggestion of same-sex activity? Where does that come from? And of course I don't mean shuddering in revulsion, I mean we recognize it as being wrong. "do you think we innately recognize this state to be disordered in nature, even if we have not intellectually grasped it?"

Let's keep on topic, stop declaring people to be damned, and answer the question please.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Oct 17 2005, 09:36 AM']Dispen

When you talk about children using epithets on the playground.  Are you suggesting that they are picking up that someone is a homosexual?
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he just went to class, so I'll answer for him. No, he is referencing when a child is being picked on and called certain names for something mundane like kicking a ball over a fence or being a little weird. There doesn't have to be evidence of actual homosexuality, though if the boy was wearing a dress to school that might raise some little eyebrows.
Of course, picking up on actual homosexuality might be interesting to pursue. How young do the tendencies occur? hm...unsettling.
I think this mostly occurs in young males, for some reason. We are slightly ignoring the female side of this, which I would hypothesize to be more vicious and less direct. Someone could fill that half in once we've answered the main question.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Oct 17 2005, 09:44 AM']WHY do we innately (if we innately) recognize homosexuality as disordered?  Why is it that children on the playground readily recognize that to be called a homosexual is an insult?  I mean, when you explain homosexuality you can only do it one way, because it is the only defining characteristic of the condition:  homosexuals have sex with people of the same sex.  There's no positive spin here that I can see.  So why are we slightly repulsed by that suggestion of same-sex activity?  Where does that come from?  And of course I don't mean shuddering in revulsion, I mean we recognize it as being wrong.  "do you think we innately recognize this state to be disordered in nature, even if we have not intellectually grasped it?"[right][snapback]761005[/snapback][/right]
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When I was little I always heard people throwing around the word "gay," but I didn't even know what the word it meant until I was 10 or 11. I have an uncle who is a practicing homosexual, and he always brought boyfriends to the house. While I always percieved him and his boyfriend as somewhat different than other adults who were married, I didn't know they were gay until my mom gave me a "talk" about it.

My sexuality was perfectly normal until I got raped. I never was a "tomboy" or anything like that. I played with dolls, loved pink, and never got called gay or lesbian.

Kids get made fun of for all kinds of reasons. The main reason why I got made fun of was that I wore glasses (been wearing them since i was an infant). Some kids get made fun of because they wear geeky clothes or because of their ethnicity.

so, in short, kids are very perceptive to difference, and tend to treat ANY kind of difference as something wrong and disordered, even if it's just wearing glasses or having an accent.

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that's not homosexuality, that's gender identity disorder, a different problem altogether. gender identity disorder has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation.

in the past it has been fashionable for men to wear things like togas, tunics, kilts and other dresses. You can call it whatever you want, but it's a dress. a rather masculine dress, but still a dress.

[cmotherofpirl]

Kids have a very narrow definition of what is normal, so anything outside their boundaries is by definition "ab normal." Kids who like music or art and not sports-minded at a young age are often labeled abnormal by their peers, and the nastiest thing they can think to call someone is gay.
They have heard it from the older kids, and they unthinkingly pass on the label, rarely having a clue what it means.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Oct 17 2005, 10:14 AM']that's not homosexuality, that's gender identity disorder, a different problem altogether.  gender identity disorder has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation.

in the past it has been fashionable for men to wear things like togas, tunics, kilts and other dresses.  You can call it whatever you want, but it's a dress.  a rather masculine dress, but still a dress.
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oh Lord, save us from humorless. It was a joke. When I typed it I actually thought to myself, "you know, some plucky individual is going to rise to the occasion to inform me that this is gender identity disorder." But I decided to tempt fate.

For goodness sake.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Oct 17 2005, 10:14 AM']When I was little I always heard people throwing around the word "gay," but I didn't even know what the word it meant until I was 10 or 11.  I have an uncle who is a practicing homosexual, and he always brought boyfriends to the house.  While I always percieved him and his boyfriend as somewhat different than other adults who were married, I didn't know they were gay until my mom gave me a "talk" about it.

My sexuality was perfectly normal until I got raped.  I never was a "tomboy" or anything like that.  I played with dolls, loved pink, and never got called gay or lesbian.

Kids get made fun of for all kinds of reasons.  The main reason why I got made fun of was that I wore glasses (been wearing them since i was an infant).  Some kids get made fun of because they wear geeky clothes or because of their ethnicity.

so, in short, kids are very perceptive to difference, and tend to treat ANY kind of difference as something wrong and disordered, even if it's just wearing glasses or having an accent.

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insightful personal experience. I agree that kids who are different are labelled "gay" but I'm interested in why this epithet is so effective and universally accepted among playgrounds.

[dspen2005]

maybe there is an underlying concept of what is in congruence with nature. Men and women are naturally in conformity with one another insofar as relationships are concerned in this discussion. Philosophical schools hold that man is in a constant search for the Truth; the CCC tells us that we have a natural inclination to that which is true and tends toward the "good". If we are made in the image and likeness of God, as Divine Revelation tells us and the Church confirms, then we are participants in the very nature of Truth; we are oriented toward a search for God who is all Truth.
This is a foundational philosophical basis of Catholic theology. We can apply the implications of this to our discussion of the question at hand.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Oct 17 2005, 12:24 PM']oh Lord, save us from humorless.  It was a joke.  When I typed it I actually thought to myself, "you know, some plucky individual is going to rise to the occasion to inform me that this is gender identity disorder."  But I decided to tempt fate.

For goodness sake.
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if you're not ignorant, then don't act ignorant. then people will stop correcting you.

[track2004]

I think a lot of the playground talk you're talking about is between boys, I never remember it among the girls in my class. Being 'gay' for a young boy is equating him with being a girl somehow. I think its a derivation of the "you throw like a girl" comments. It attacks their ability to be "boys". Society also sees boys as better than girls, so emasculating a boy hurts, though they might not really understand it.