Should Homosexual Marriage Be Banned?

[Guest cathy]

This is all incredible.
I don't really know where to begin. I have read through this thread with increasing anxiety.
The sanctity of marriage has been reduced to near nothingness over the years. What about Marriages lasting for only days? Vegas chapels? people who aren't in love getting married due to pregnancy. People who are married who beat their spouses. Who create broken homes and broken souls. Who of you can say that being in an abusive home with a married man and wife is better than a loving and stable home with two people of the same sex in a union?
This idea of homosexuality as some sort of a plague is archaic and inane. How many of you know a gay couple? A gay person? Why can't you respect the fact that there is REAL LOVE in these relationships? Love that has been fought for over the years. It isn't the same as someone "shacking up with a friend"- this is commitment. Imagine living a monogamous lifetime with your soulmate, but not being able to have the same respect from fellow citizens or the same rights during your course of life- is that fair? Marriage is about a union with god's love- not about society's fear of change and difference.
And all of you claiming that breeding is one of the soul purposes of marriage- there is no shortage of children. Since so many of you are pro-life, what do you plan on doing with all the children who are born unwanted? Are you going to adopt them? No, you can't. You can't adopt all of them. So don't worry about our country not surviving in the face of gay marriage in light of procreation, that’s ridiculous, the world is overpopulated as is.
There was a time in history that Marriage between African-Americans and white Americans was forbidden. That law has come down, so why put up new ones with equally ridiculous pretexts?
Gay couples deserve the rights of straight couples, our county is based on freedom and justice- our founders came here to escape religious persecution- so what’s this hatred? God doesn't condone hatred or facetiousness, so why do you?

im not trying to spark a riot. i'm not trying to cut others down, but i am genuinely confused, and would like earnest answers, as humans. i'm trying to figure things out.

peace.

[Socrates]

[quote name='cathy' date='Nov 8 2005, 06:23 PM']This is all incredible.
I don't really know where to begin. I have read through this thread with increasing anxiety.
The sanctity of marriage has been reduced to near nothingness over the years. What about Marriages lasting for only days? Vegas chapels? people who aren't in love getting married due to pregnancy. People who are married who beat their spouses. Who create broken homes and broken souls. Who of you can say that being in an abusive home with a married man and wife is better than a loving and stable home with two people of the same sex in a union?
This idea of homosexuality as some sort of a plague is archaic and inane. How many of you know a gay couple? A gay person? Why can't you respect the fact that there is REAL LOVE in these relationships? Love that has been fought for over the years. It isn't the same as someone "shacking up with a friend"- this is commitment. Imagine living a monogamous lifetime with your soulmate, but not being able to have the same respect from fellow citizens or the same rights during your course of life- is that fair? Marriage is about a union with god's love- not about society's fear of change and difference.
And all of you claiming that breeding is one of the soul purposes of marriage- there is no shortage of children. Since so many of you are pro-life, what do you plan on doing with all the children who are born unwanted? Are you going to adopt them? No, you can't. You can't adopt all of them. So don't worry about our country not surviving in the face of gay marriage in light of procreation, that’s ridiculous, the world is overpopulated as is.
There was a time in history that Marriage between African-Americans and white Americans was forbidden. That law has come down, so why put up new ones with equally ridiculous pretexts?
Gay couples deserve the rights of straight couples, our county is based on freedom and justice- our founders came here to escape religious persecution- so what’s this hatred? God doesn't condone hatred or facetiousness, so why do you?

im not trying to spark a riot. i'm not trying to cut others down, but i am genuinely confused, and would like earnest answers, as humans. i'm trying to figure things out.

peace.
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Cathy, if you are truly interested in knowing why homosexuality is wrong, we suggest you run a search on the topic here, as this topic has been debated and discussed numberous times in the past. I suggest you read some of these debates for a more in-depth understanding.

We agree on the sanctity of marriage being destroyed and are against these things too. Homosexual "marriage" is not the only or the first attack on the sanctity of marriage. The fact that there are bad "heterosexual" marriages does not make homosexuality good.

Marriage at its heart is about the procreation and raising of children - it is the basis of family, which is the human institution at the heart of any society.
Homosexual activity does not and cannot create life. It can breed only death and disease. Two people of the same sex sodomizing one another cannot and never will make a marriage or a family.

Your point about "love" being all that makes a marriage is pure silliness. I truly love my mother - this does not mean I should be allowed to marry her!

And your inane remarks about "overpopulation" are a non-sequiter. There are plenty of couples who could adopt children. What this has to do with "gay marriage" is beyond me - sounds like just another pointless rant.

[Socrates]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 8 2005, 10:34 AM']LoL, I think you misunderstood me. 

I mean for Texans it's not an issue right now whether or not gay marriage is banned by the state Constitution.  It's not something that needs to be banned because there's nothing that allows it.
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This is basically a preventative measure so "gays" will not start claiming they have the right to "marry" in Texas. The referendum was brought on because homosexuals are pushing for this.
I say Texans should all vote to ban gay marriage in order to promote the sanctity of marriage. It will prevent the further desecration of marriage and the family in this regard - I honestly do not see how this will increase the power of the state over marriage or anything. The state already recognizes civil marriages, and Christians refusing to vote for a "gay marriage" ban will do absolutely nothing to change that.

This logic reminds me of those who refuse to vote for ANY candidate, because they beleive "democracy is evil."

[jasJis]

[quote name='cathy' date='Nov 8 2005, 06:23 PM']This is all incredible.
I don't really know where to begin. I have read through this thread with increasing anxiety.
The sanctity of marriage has been reduced to near nothingness over the years. What about Marriages lasting for only days? Vegas chapels? people who aren't in love getting married due to pregnancy. People who are married who beat their spouses. Who create broken homes and broken souls. [/quote]Yes, marriage has been minimalized. Why add to the minimalization? The examples you point out are marriages for selfish reasons. REAL marriage is to create love.

[quote]Who of you can say that being in an abusive home with a married man and wife is better than a loving and stable home with two people of the same sex in a union? [/quote]Well, since a same sex couple can't have children, this is a moot point.
[quote]This idea of homosexuality as some sort of a plague is archaic and inane. How many of you know a gay couple? A gay person? Why can't you respect the fact that there is REAL LOVE in these relationships? Love that has been fought for over the years. It isn't the same as someone "shacking up with a friend"- this is commitment. Imagine living a monogamous lifetime with your soulmate, but not being able to have the same respect from fellow citizens or the same rights during your course of life- is that fair? Marriage is about a union with god's love- not about society's fear of change and difference. [/quote]God created marriage as a way for two people (the example given is a man and woman) to become one and create life. I have lot's of friends and family that are gay. I love them, but I don't agree with them. I also have friends and family that have not been faithful. I love them too, and don't agree with them. What's your point?
[quote]  And all of you claiming that breeding is one of the soul purposes of marriage- there is no shortage of children. Since so many of you are pro-life, what do you plan on doing with all the children who are born unwanted? Are you going to adopt them? No, you can't. You can't adopt all of them. So don't worry about our country not surviving in the face of gay marriage in light of procreation, that’s ridiculous, the world is overpopulated as is. [/quote]The world isn't overpopulated, it is overly selfish. Selfishness creates children that aren't loved. Selfishness creates unwanted children. That selfishness is sex with others for the sole purpose of self gratification, not becoming one and being open to children. That is the problem with homosexual sex. By it's very nature, it's selfish and limited. Okaying same sex marriage is putting another nail in the coffin for the demise of marriage and fosters the belief that selfish sex is okay. That's the lie that creates unwanted children.
[quote]There was a time in history that Marriage between African-Americans and white Americans was forbidden. That law has come down, so why put up new ones with equally ridiculous pretexts?[/quote]By that logic, why have laws that are abitrary about age? Why can't a 35 year old marry a 13 year old? Why can't a woman marry her german shepard? Why can't a woman marry 4 other women?
[quote]Gay couples deserve the rights of straight couples, our county is based on freedom and justice- our founders came here to escape religious persecution- so what’s this hatred? God doesn't condone hatred or facetiousness, so why do you?[/quote]God does condone hate. God condones hatred for what destroys the innocent.
[quote]im not trying to spark a riot. i'm not trying to cut others down, but i am genuinely confused, and would like earnest answers, as humans. i'm trying to figure things out.

peace.
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You got your answers. Are you less confused?

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 8 2005, 07:51 PM']This is basically a preventative measure so "gays" will not start claiming they have the right to "marry" in Texas.  The referendum was brought on because homosexuals are pushing for this.
I say Texans should all vote to ban gay marriage in order to promote the sanctity of marriage.  It will prevent the further desecration of marriage and the family in this regard - I honestly do not see how this will increase the power of the state over marriage or anything.  The state already recognizes civil marriages, and Christians refusing to vote for a "gay marriage" ban will do absolutely nothing to change that.

This logic reminds me of those who refuse to vote for ANY candidate, because they beleive "democracy is evil."
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I think there's a law against it.

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Nov 6 2005, 03:54 PM']Yes I'm saying that athiests and non believers have no right to marry.  I have not been vague in this position yet. And marriages should only be offered by religious communities.
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[/quote]Is that your final answer?

[Jaime]

[quote name='StatingTheObvious' date='Nov 9 2005, 01:49 PM']Is that your final answer?
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Might be.

Are you planning on adding anything substantive to the conversation or are you gonna continue with your normal mode of operation and just be pointless?

[jezic]

i believe if i read correctly that texas adopted the measure that defines marriage as between a man and a woman (I am not 100% sure, but it is in the news.)

that is all.

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Nov 9 2005, 05:05 PM']Might be.[right][snapback]784100[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]Speaking of pointless. Maybe I was hoping to be enlightened. That's not a very elightening answer.

[Jaime]

[quote name='StatingTheObvious' date='Nov 9 2005, 04:31 PM']Speaking of pointless.    Maybe I was hoping to be enlightened.  That's not a very elightening answer. 
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Riggghhht


That's why you're a troll. To be enlightened..

[Socrates]

Texas voters overwhelmingly voted for the ammendment banning gay marriage.

God bless Texas!

[jasJis]

[quote]Yes I'm saying that athiests and non believers have no right to marry.  I have not been vague in this position yet. And marriages should only be offered by religious communities.[/quote] [No intention to feed the troll... ] But hot stuff, do you see the multi-nature of marriage? Though civil marriage is a diminished reflection of what Christian marriage is, it should at lease be an accurate reflection and not be the exact opposite. That's why the Catholic Church will bless and validate a civil marriage if the couple discovers the Graces of the Marriage Sacrament and come to the Church. A civil marriage may be a sprout, but a Christian marriage brings the water and sun so the sprout may blossom to it's full potential. :

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 22 2005, 03:22 PM']Since marriage is between a man and a woman there can be no such thing as a [i]gay [/i]marriage.
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Very true indeed!

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='jasJis' date='Nov 9 2005, 09:10 PM'][No intention to feed the troll...      ] [right][snapback]784314[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]Great, so leave me starvin'. He's too skeered to answer you anyway. Or he's got better things to do then read one of your long winded answers. Watch Bill OReally and get a grip on 'pithy' :

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[PadreSantiago]

You know many people get married and never have kids. Some people hate kids so it doesn't make sense for them to have a family. In this day and age of 6 billion plus people it's not imperative to the human race that everyone start procreating. There is no problem with someone not wanting to have kids. And if Rainbow Jeremy and Ricky C. want to live together and sodimize each other or perform fellatio on each other in the privacy of their homes well then so be it. This is america people LEARN THE RULES. They are not infringing on your rights so let them be.

[PadreSantiago]

oh yeah and I live in texas, it makes me ill-sick to think about how many redneck homophobic meth heads that engage in beastiality litter the highways of my great state.

=) DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Nov 13 2005, 12:38 AM']oh yeah and I live in texas, it makes me ill-sick to think about how many redneck homophobic meth heads that engage in beastiality litter the highways of my great state.

=) DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS
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[/quote]gee. isnt that tolerant? is that allowed in the rules? whats wrong with beastialiity if i want to do it in the privacy of my own barn? i'd rather be a redneck homophobic meth head with a sheep girlfriend driving down the road throwing my baby ruth wrapper out the window and admit it then be a hypocritical fascist like you and try to tell people im the most fair and itelligent person to come along since lady diana.

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[Guest I Am Not Chris Zewe]

I really don't feel like reading all this idiocy, so I'll just say one thing and meander away for now...

Marriage is about [b]love[/b], not one's gender.

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='I Am Not Chris Zewe' date='Nov 13 2005, 10:23 AM']I really don't feel like reading all this idiocy, so I'll just say one thing and meander away for now...

Marriage is about [b]love[/b], not one's gender.
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[/quote]well now. you don't know about love that stays around after your car accident and you can't make love. you don't know about love that hangs around and helps you after your 6 week crack binge. you don't know about love that helps you find help after 4 years of suicidal thoughts.

i guess you just didn't want to hear about [u]that[/u] [i][b]idocy[/b][/i] and had your fingers in your ears singing "la-la-la-la-i'm-not-listening-la-la-la-la".

[Sinner]

QFNOL,
Man I am slow for a thread starter.... but what I meant was that it is your duty as a Catholic to vote... (from Cathechism):
2240 Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good make it morally obligatory to pay taxes, to exercise the right to vote,,,

QFNOL there are several states that had laws against sodomy that have allowed same sex marriage due to rulings by liberal judges. This amendment to the Texas constitution is pre-emptive to prevent that in Texas.

Marriage is about procreation. The ability to procreate is a prerequisite to contract a Sacramental Marriage.