dreamcenter in los angeles..

[rckllnknny]

besides that its protestant??

[rckllnknny]

well..its a huge christian outreach in los angeles. that provides help to the youth struggling in the streets they offer all kinds of stuff. they also offer ministry school. its HUGE..it sounds like the best thing ive ever heard of...
..i might even go.

[jiyoung]

Are you in the LA area? You should try going to St. Peter Chanel...it's in the LA Archdiocese, around Long Beach...so okay, it's not that close or anything but you know.

Protestants kinda tend to focus on outreach and such and not so much on truth. It's more social than prayerful...

[God's Errand Girl]

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Protestants kinda tend to focus on outreach and such and not so much on truth. It's more social than prayerful...
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You're making a pretty hefty generalization here.

[rckllnknny]

i hate this site.

[God's Errand Girl]

[quote name='rckllnknny' date='Nov 15 2005, 10:02 PM']i hate this site.
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My point from the above post exactly. I technically would be labeled a Protestant, and I could see that the prior comment would probably offend some, and understandably so. RC, don't give up on Phatmass yet, O.K.?

[jiyoung]

I'm sorry about the generalization. It's what I've seen of a lot of outreach programs, though. Perhaps this is one that might disprove me, or something. But as a Catholic (I'm assuming you are, rckllnknny, but tell me if I'm wrong) there are other programs out there within the Church. It's not a good idea to divide your loyalties. Don't hate PM on account of me, I tend to put my foot in my mouth a lot...

[jiyoung]

By the way...I was commenting on the nature of the programs, not on the nature of Protestantism itself. From what I've seen, youth outreach programs tend to be geared a lot towards social interaction rather than anything more substantial. Then again, my old church was like that too. I guess bottom line is that I would prefer actually going to church instead of just activities with church people...

[God's Errand Girl]

I would agree with you that some Protestant church outreaches do not have a proper focus on truth (in this case, Biblical truth).

Your apology is humble and well-received by me...and hopefully RC too.

Edited November 16, 2005 by God's Errand Girl

[rckllnknny]

no..actually i'm non-denominational.
but..in regards to your apology..


THANK YOU.

you truly just made my day.

[God's Errand Girl]

[quote name='jiyoung' date='Nov 15 2005, 10:13 PM']By the way...I was commenting on the nature of the programs, not on the nature of Protestantism itself. From what I've seen, youth outreach programs tend to be geared a lot towards social interaction rather than anything more substantial. Then again, my old church was like that too. I guess bottom line is that I would prefer actually going to church instead of just activities with church people...
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I see your point, but you also have to remember that no one can fulfill his/her proper function in the body of Christ unless he/she has a fellowship connection with other members of the body.

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[rckllnknny]

and i DO agree that prayer is more important.

btw,
www.dreamcenter.org

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[God's Errand Girl]

[quote name='rckllnknny' date='Nov 15 2005, 10:17 PM']no..actually i'm non-denominational.
but..in regards to your apology..
THANK YOU.

you truly just made my day.
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Awww..the reconciliation is spreading around.

[jiyoung]

Yeah, no man is an island and all. I wouldn't be Catholic anymore if it weren't for some people God placed in my path.

I just have issues with social activities IN PLACE of good Christian fellowship. I don't know if you understand my distinction...Social activities meaning something like a winter formal (which is a tradition at my old church and has no grounding whatsoever in Christian fellowship--evident in the kind of dancing that takes place. Ew) versus Christian fellowship like a prayer group or something. Not to say that people should NEVER do anything not related to church, but if a church is going to sponsor an event...doesn't it kinda make sense that it would be church-related? But that's just my gripes with my old church.

-edit- I looked at the purpose a little more closely, so never mind...

Edited November 16, 2005 by jiyoung

[God's Errand Girl]

I agree with the fact that in a church setting, for the most part, social gatherings should be Christ-focused. Otherwise, disunity can subtly enter the door and no one will recognize it. We are not disagreeing; I just think that neither of our points of view have been thoroughly stated.

[jiyoung]

Who's disagreeing? heh.

Hee, I find it interesting that they're located in a building called Queen of Angels that was run by Franciscans. And the name of the new hospital, Queen of Angels Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center...I didn't think Presbyterians agreed with the whole Queen of Angels thing...

[God's Errand Girl]

Maybe the Presbyterians thought that "Queen of Angeles" was in relation to "Los Angeles" somehow. Or maybe the nuns who sold it to the Presbyterians forced a gun to their heads and demanded that they keep the name...totally joking. But, I wonder, like you, if they made any connection to Mary being the "Queen of Angels/Heaven"?

[jiyoung]

Well, LA's full name is La Ciudad de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Portiuncula (forgiving my lack of Spanish-specific characters), meaning The City of Our Lady the Queen of the Angels of Portiuncula, so yeah.

[MartinLuther]

Yeah I've heard of it (and Im from the other end of the planet - Australia) The guy who started it has been to Australia a few times to speak at conferences.

God is doing some amazing things through the Dream Center - helping people get off drugs, turning lives around, ministering to prostitutes and homeless and the urban poor and showing Jesus love to those who need it most. I would strongly encourage you (or anyone) to go visit there if you can.

There are now Dream Centers in other cities in the US, but the one in LA is the original and I think the largest. Ask around - there may be one closer to you if LA is too far away. i think the other centers are only loosely affiliated so that there may not be much info about other centers on the site you listed.

Some in my small group last year at my church were wanting to go to LA to visit the Dream Center and then get our church to start something similar in our city. Nothing came of it but I am hearing that the church up the road has a vison of setting up a Dream Center.

Hope things are going better for you and your kids
I only lurk here occassionally, but I have been praying for you when Ive seen your posts.
-ML

[rckllnknny]

ml- that was awesome info.

theyre starting a new alternative to bible college program. its ten months of discipleship ministry. i applied. im praying i can go. im from nebraska. and i think theres some closer but yeah i think LA has the biggest one.
it just sounds perfect!