The position of the Church on

[Duc_In_Altum]

I'm told that the casualty estimates for both the US and Japan would have been significantly more (hundreds of thousands) if the US had executed a conventional invasion of Japan with the hopes of ending the war instead of dropping the atomic bombs. That said, what was the stance of the Church on that particular situation?


Peace.

-Joe

[StColette]

August 24, 2005 / Nuclear effects of the atomic bomb lingered in Japan for years.

Do Hiroshima and Nagasaki’s effects on our logic linger in America?

We at the Register were startled by the number of angry letters — a few of them canceling subscriptions — that we received in response to Catherine and Michael Pakaluks’ column calling America’s use of the atomic bomb 60 years ago “Our National Sin.”

After all, the Church’s position on this matter is clear.

Pope Paul VI called America’s use of the atomic bomb “butchery of untold magnitude.” Pope John Paul II called it “a self-destruction of mankind” and named Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Auschwitz as places marked by man’s sin that should now be places of pilgrimage.

The Second Vatican Council condemned our nation’s use of the atomic bomb. The Catechism repeats its denunciation verbatim in No. 2314:

“Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation.”

No matter how vicious the Japanese war tactics were, and they were cruel and brutal, America crossed a line we never should have crossed.

Though we were surprised at the intensity of readers’ response, we can understand the concern that many letters expressed. The Church’s condemnation of the bomb is severe and unsettling. It could seem that, by calling our use of the atomic bomb a “crime against God and man” and comparing Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Auschwitz, the Church is making America’s position in World War II the moral equivalent of our enemies’.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

American sacrifices in World War II are not in the least impugned by the judgment that our president was wrong to use of the atomic bomb. Without America’s contribution to the war, the world would be a very different, and much darker, place. Pope John Paul II himself said he was “personally grateful for what America did for the world in the darkest days of the 20th century.”

We can be proud that Americans sacrifice a great deal of money — and many of our troops sacrifice their lives — to lend a helping hand to our enemies when our battles are over. We did so in Japan, and we do so today in Iraq.

We would also point out that the U.S. military today champions the principle that we must do everything possible to spare civilian lives in wartime. Our country is a pioneer in the creation of accurate weapons technology that has greatly reduced the threat to civilians.

So, if our military no longer advocates, nor practices, the Hiroshima doctrine, isn’t it time for Catholic Americans to own up to the evils in our past, and learn from them?

Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen in his series of talks titled “What Now America?” said that, by our tacit refusal to recognize the evil of the atomic bomb, Americans became susceptible to a new notion of freedom — one divorced from morality.

“When, I wonder, did we in America ever get into this idea that freedom means having no boundaries and no limits?” he asked. “I think it began on the 6th of August 1945 at 8:15 am when we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. … Somehow or other, from that day on in our American life, we say we want no limits and no boundaries.”

Shortly before becoming Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said much the same thing.

“There no longer exists a knowing how to do separated from a being able to do, because it would be against freedom, which is the absolute supreme value,” he said in his talks about the crisis facing Europe.

He put this misunderstanding of freedom at the heart of the use of the atomic bomb, and of many contemporary problems.

“Man knows how to clone men, and so he does it,” he said. “Man knows how to use men as a store of organs for other men, and so he does it; he does it because this seems to be a requirement of his freedom. Man knows how to build atomic bombs and so he makes them, being, as a matter of principle, also disposed to use them. In the end, terrorism is also based on this modality of man’s self-authorization, and not on the teachings of the Koran.”

America’s greatest gift to the world, in World War II and in our founding documents, is our strong re-affirmation that freedom comes from God and that the state cannot take it away.

We can only continue to give the gift of freedom to the world if we recognize that the same God who made us free taught us that there are boundaries to that freedom — boundaries we must never cross.

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[beatty07]

That's a good article...it doesn't specifically address the argument about casualty numbers. It's a pretty good argument but it doesn't apply in this case.

Current US military doctrine is in many ways a reaction to the Vietnam War. The regnant philosophy now is that of Patton and many before him: overwhelm the enemy completely and as quickly as possible. Crush him utterly and immediately. Though it may appear merciless and cruel, in reality it is the most humane way to prosecute a war. It will save lives, on both sides.

This was filtered for public consumption by the news media when they kept babbling about "shock and awe."

That's good solid thinking in general. But it emphatically does NOT mean no holds barred. You just don't target civilians. You don't torture, you don't rape, you don't execute POWs, and you don't intentionally target civilians. These considerations trump others, even if they result in higher casualties.

It's time that the Allied Powers, specifically the US and Britain, recognized the moral outrage perpetrated not only in these two cities, but also in Europe. Read about the bombing of Dresden...it was even worse.

[philothea]

[quote name='StColette' date='Nov 17 2005, 09:01 PM']After all, the Church’s position on this matter is clear.

Pope Paul VI called America’s use of the atomic bomb “butchery of untold magnitude.” Pope John Paul II called it “a self-destruction of mankind” and named Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Auschwitz as places marked by man’s sin that should now be places of pilgrimage.

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Whew.

I'd have tried to accept it being a good idea if the Church said so... but it would have been really hard.

Thanks for posting the article!

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Duc_In_Altum' date='Nov 17 2005, 09:52 PM']I'm told that the casualty estimates for both the US and Japan would have been significantly more (hundreds of thousands) if the US had executed a conventional invasion of Japan with the hopes of ending the war instead of dropping the atomic bombs. -Joe
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Yep