What would you be willing to do

[beatty07]

The observation that Jesus isn't harmed is critical. Protecting the Blessed Sacrament prevents an evil, and that's good. It protects would-be assailents from perpetrating an evil, and that's charity. But it doesn't protect Jesus. Jesus is not diminished in any way by any sacrilege. In fact, His submission to sacrileges upon his earthly body only showed forth his glory!

Deadly force is not an appropriate measure to prevent sacrilege or save someone from committing it. At least it sure doesn't seem like it to me. Perhaps we should query the CDF.

Can someone translate to Latin: "Wither the slaying of satanic terrorists in the act of menacing the Blessed Sacrament?"

[Timothy]

To the CDF we go!!!!

[Timothy]

From the CCC ( I hope I'm using this in context).



2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."65

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.
2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

Edited November 22, 2005 by Timothy

[tojo]

Since Jesus isn't harmed by our "chewing Him," I can't imagine that He is harmed by sacrilege. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of harming someone to prevent sacrilege, especially to the point of death.

[Sarah_JC]

I think I would approach reverently and consume the Eucharist. Then I'd probably say something in jest, or dance about in victory... and that would be what gets me killed.

[Cow of Shame]

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I think I would approach reverently and consume the Eucharist. Then I'd probably say something in jest, or dance about in victory.
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You know, it's the crazy dichotomy of those types of statements that are so prevalent here that really confuses me.
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Since Jesus isn't harmed by our "chewing Him," I can't imagine that He is harmed by sacrilege. [/quote]

I find it bizarre that you see no difference between the consumption of the eucharist of a devout believer and the blood of goats being poured on it while sex acts are performed in the background....no harm? Jeeze

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The best part of this thread is the fun of me imagining hot stuff imagining terrorist satanists...



and WHY AREN'T MY QUOTES WORKING?!

Edited November 23, 2005 by Cow of Shame

[tojo]

[quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Nov 23 2005, 12:34 AM']I find it bizarre that you see no difference between the consumption of the eucharist of a devout believer and the blood of goats being poured on it while sex acts are performed in the background....no harm?  Jeeze
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I didn't say that there was no difference, I was just pointing to consumption to point out that it causes Christ no harm, and that sacrilege, while dishonor Christ, doesn't "hurt Him." As awful as sacrilege is, I don't think Christ would want us to kill to prevent it, since He would rather see the men live to repent, since He desire that "all should come to everlasting life."

[Timothy]

I think we could all agree nobody wants to kill anybody...I don't think I could even physically do that if I tried unless I had a weapon. I guess I was just thinking of an ultra extreme situation for example lets say and crazed satinist or any person at that, with a gun, walks in while you're in adoration. You notice he is going to go for the Eucharist, so you go fo it and consume it before he can get to it. Out of rage he looses it and threatens your life and starts to beat you. You realize that if you don't do something you are going to be killed! So what do you do?

Edited November 23, 2005 by Timothy

[Paphnutius]

I was just about to say it is odd, but seemly, that this thread has turned from you loosing your life for the Eucharist to taking someone else's in defense of it.

Question for you Timothy...what is the satanist wanting you to do? Why is he threatening you? You has supposedly already thwarted his plans by consuming the Host, so what does he want?

Edited November 23, 2005 by Paphnutius

[AlterDominicus]

Yes. God is my God, and I'm not about to let some crackpot guy "try" (even though he will fail again) take the "Under God" out of the pledge, and the "In God We Trust" off our dollar bills.

I mean. I had this day dream the other day and it was about Satanists trying to burn down a Church, I woke up in bed ran to my mom and said, "WE HAVE TO GO TO THIS CHURCH!" And got in the car and drove there. I saw the flames after getting out of the car and I decided that I dont care if my life would end up being taken by this decison I'm going to make. Then I ran into the Church grabbed the blessed sacrament, and I dont know what happend after that, I came back to reality.

[Sojourner]

I'm interested in hearing the conclusion you came to for yourself, hot stuff.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Sojourner' date='Nov 24 2005, 07:44 PM']I'm interested in hearing the conclusion you came to for yourself, hot stuff.
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I decided that if satanic terrorists broke through the windows, I would do my utmost to defend the Eucharist.


Although I have a feeling that satanic terrorists would kick my butt. So it was a big sigh of relief when the replacement came in and I could go back to work. Although I must say, I think I would do better against satanic terrorists than the 70 year old woman who replaced me.

[Anthony]

I would lay my life down in a heartbeat for Christ Jesus present in the Most Blessed Sacrament. He did the same for us. He deserves so much more than we can give Him for all our sins and the pain and suffering he endured for our salvation. So, the answer of the question is hands down YES! I would risk my life to protect the Most Holy Eucharist. :

[Timothy]

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Nov 23 2005, 05:35 PM']I was just about to say it is odd, but seemly, that this thread has turned from you loosing your life for the Eucharist to taking someone else's in defense of it.

Question for you Timothy...what is the satanist wanting you to do? Why is he threatening you? You has supposedly already thwarted his plans by consuming the Host, so what does he want?
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Ohh who knows....lets just say he looses it for whatever reason... I mean if someone is willing to break into a place with a gun thay have already lost it. Let's say he is threatening you becuase you ruined his plans, so he wants to do harm to you.

[beatty07]

alas, it is all to true that in this day and age, satanic terrorists can't be counted upon to act calmy and rationally. They're not sporting like the satanic terrorists of yore.

[cmotherofpirl]

I would do my best to protect the tabernacle, hoping God in turn would be protecting me.

[Jaime]

[quote name='beatty07' date='Nov 25 2005, 11:36 AM']alas, it is all to true that in this day and age, satanic terrorists can't be counted upon to act calmy and rationally.  They're not sporting like the satanic terrorists of yore.
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I think I'm looking forward to more posts from Beatty07

[tojo]

I'm just not sure if God would want us to give our life for the Blessed Sacrament. He gave His life for us, and He rebuked Peter for trying to defend Him violently.....

It's not that I'm unwilling to die for Christ, I'd do so before renouncing Him ever! Maybe I just haven't fully come out of the evangelical protestant anti-physical mindset yet......

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='Timothy' date='Nov 25 2005, 09:56 AM']Ohh who knows....lets just say he looses it for whatever reason...  I mean if someone is willing to break into a place with a gun thay have already lost it.  Let's say he is threatening you becuase you ruined his plans, so he wants to do harm to you. 
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Yeah but if he is threatening you it must be because he wants you to do something. Otherwise he would just harm you and be done with it.

[Theoketos]

Exculding the issue of tabernacles...St. Tarcisius died protecting the Eucharist. I would hope I am as brave as that boy.