I HATE THIS WEB SITE.

[rckllnknny]

i'm serious. this site has changed soo much. theres soo much conflict and confusion. everyone is divided on opinions and hateful towards each other. even catholic turning on catholics and catholics against protestants. why in a complete belief system there can be disagreements? dont we all believe in the same things and respect each others opinions. half of this is disagreements on opinions. opinions that cant be backed up by KNOWLEDGE through scripture. yet eveyone preaches scripture like a parable is referance to the relativity.
half of everyones disagreements cant be judged by scripture. we should love one another. i hate this site. i shouldnt get mad evey time i come here.

does anyone have anything "inspiring" or been touched by heart felt emotions?

Glory of God is upon us. that is the gift he gave me to share. not being seduced by the passion of hate in war. granted he gave me a sword in the the great spiritual battle. but it was made in love. thus the victory.


true??

Edited November 22, 2005 by rckllnknny

[Aloysius]

All I see is insults from you... so I don't see where you have any right to come off claiming to b better than us at love and charity.

you hate this website... because it hates so much hmm...

[rckllnknny]

..example of what i just said..before everyone gets it confused..and comes down on me..

is..a dog should have three toes because in tesnt say anything aobut a dogs te one else says..no a dog should..who cares..God loves us.. so lets clebrate together.

[rckllnknny]

..example of what i just said..before everyone gets it confused..and comes down on me..

is..a dog should have three toes because in the bible it says...
and some one else says..no a dog should have 14 toes because it says...

...when the bible doesnt say anything aobut a dogs toes..

and my point is..who cares..God loves us.. so lets clebrate together.

[dUSt]

Dogs toes are cool.

[rckllnknny]

..i HAVE been hateful.
and im not better than anyone.
but im just sayin. theres other stuff to talk about than arguin.
..i hope..

and not just the recent debates at the debate table. everything.

[rckllnknny]

dogs toes ARE cool.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='rckllnknny' date='Nov 22 2005, 01:51 PM']i'm serious. this site has changed soo much. theres soo much conflict and confusion. everyone is divided on opinions and hateful towards each other. even catholic turning on catholics and catholics against protestants. why in a complete belief system there can be disagreements? dont we all believe in the same things and respect each others opinions. half of this is disagreements on opinions. opinions that cant be backed up by KNOWLEDGE through scripture. yet eveyone preaches scripture like a parable is referance to the relativity.
half of everyones disagreements cant be judged by scripture. we should love one another. i hate this site. i shouldnt get mad evey time i come here.
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so...let me get this straight. you hate this site because it has conflict on it? because people say things that aren't loving? I regret to be the one to inform you that there is no community on the face of the earth that is free from all conflict, division, and immature squabble. you know what they say... "the moment you find the perfect church, it won't be perfect anymore because you are in it now." We are all sinners, we all rely on God's mercy and forgiveness.

I think most people on this board are striving for holiness and the knowledge of the true Catholic faith. Conflict helps people to grow in knowledge, creativity and strength and if this board had no conflict I probably would never come here.

[rckllnknny]

(and this thread does kinda sound like im trying to be better..but im not.)
im jus being serious.

[rckllnknny]

photo....so youre disagreeing with me for saying we should all get along?


that doesnt make any sense.

GOD BLESS..um out.

[Azriel]

When I'm away too long, I get confused. I don't like being confused. Its .... confusing.

Lets not all get our underwear in knots or anything.

oh, and Hi.

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

[quote name='rckllnknny' date='Nov 22 2005, 02:07 PM']photo....so youre disagreeing with me for saying we should all get along?
that doesnt make any sense.

GOD BLESS..um out.
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I think what she's saying is that good dialogue and even charity must have conflict. We do a real disservice to God if we're always trying to not offend anyone and not tell anyone they're ever wrong. We refuse to stoop to being politically correct. Most of the regular phatmassers may disagree on issues, but I've yet to see an uncharitable post go uncriticized or unmoderated. I'm curious as to which posts you're referring to.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='rckllnknny' date='Nov 22 2005, 03:07 PM']photo....so youre disagreeing with me for saying we should all get along?
that doesnt make any sense.

GOD BLESS..um out.
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We can get along and disagree and argue!

"It is not merely true that a creed unites men. Nay, a difference of creed unites men - so long as it is a clear difference. A boundary unites. Many a magnanimous Moslem and chivalrous Crusader must have been nearer to each other, because they were both dogmatists, than any two agnostics. "I say God is One," and "I say God is One but also Three," that is the beginning of a good quarrelsome, manly friendship." -GK Chesterton

[prose]

I have never seen anything here worse than in real life, and at least here I get support within a faith base.

In fact, I can't even say that I see what you see...

Mayeb I am just wearing my rose colored glasses when I come here.

[rckllnknny]

im not referring to any posts.
and i have two kids. should i let them argue or teach them how to hug each other?
should i let them argue and say oh well "..it happens!"
..or maybe even get in the middle of the arguments
im just saying..for example..i start a post with the purpose of admitting ive been hateful and that i wish wed all find ways to get along better and rejoice in the joy of the Lord...
and everyones still arguing with me.
thats ridiculous!

im just trying to help us get along better as a PHAMILY.
..like it used to be here.

Edited November 22, 2005 by rckllnknny

[rckllnknny]

yeah people get shot in real life..
so we should all argue on a website..
amen.




???

[Myles Domini]

I dont think its that bad. In fact I sorta miss the controversy that used to go on in the Debate Table. You had guys like Don John of Austria pulling out some real historical facts to back up what they were saying. It was interesting, enlightening in many places. Now, most of the 'debates' seem to be focussed around sex or sexually related issues. Not that these things aren't important but they are set in stone according to Catholic teaching and won't change. To have multiple threads with varying titles that are basically focussing upon the same thing e.g. homosexual [i]unions[/i] is to me a waste.

Yet not everyone is squabbling over silly issues and not everything here is dominated by hateful polemic. A lot of the topics raised highlight people's genuine concerns about issues that they care about and want to have resolved or reviewed. A lot of the times people's considerations are really the kind of issues theologians are currenty debating e.g. the ordination of married men and lots of the issues appearing on Phatmass currently were also discussed by the Bishops of the Roman Synod in October, which shows we're not just babbling in isolation.

I saw your post on the firing of the teacher and that you disagreed with it. I feel very sorry for her, my Mum wasn't married when she had me and she and my Father have never been together. Its not always been easy--it still isnt--but the pain caused by the consequences of sin cant act an excuse for it and as the child of a single-parent I have every right to say this. I do feel terribly sorry for both her and her baby and I think if she has expressed repentence and was still fired that the school could've reconsidered a little. Maybe moved her to teach a different age group who can understand that even the just man falls 7 times daily (Prov. 24:16). However, if thats impossible and she is obstinate then the school truly had no choice given the impressionable youth under her care.

Arguably a little of the devotional side of phatmass is being neglected at the moment. Maybe we need to have a devotional board where we can speak solely about our spiritual lives and experiences? But at the same time I do think a lot of devotion is coming out in the passion that many of the phatpham show for what they feel is right. I dont think its just blind anger motivating much of the zeal shown in argument around here. I believe its genuine and loving concern for the Church through which the Holy Trinity has taught and nurtured us. Reading some of St Jerome's letters one would get the impression that he was nothing but a bitter arrogant individual. Yet, does that really encapsulate the spirituality of Jerome? I think you would want us to show clemency towards the young fired teacher? Should you not then offer the same clemency towards the phatmassers?

Catholicism may be a unified system of belief but there are bound to be disagreements about things that are not dogmatically defined or held in doctrine by the ordinary magisterium. For centuries the Dominican and Franciscan scholars berated each other in the schools of Europe and when the Franciscans dropped the banner the Jesuits took it up. Even today the neo-Thomists and Balthasarians eye each other with suspicion. Argument in the history of Catholicism is commonplace and indeed it is a good thing because as St Thomas Aquinas taught nobody looses out from argument because arguments often result in a clearer exposition of the truth.

It is also logical to think that we as Catholics would argue with Protestants seeing as we have fundamentally differing views on what Christianity means. Yet, that doesn't equate to hate. Do not judge fierceness in reply to mean hate. Many of the great saints of the past lovers that they were were vicious in controversy e.g. St Augustine. Again one cannot judge the heart of Augustine solely on his controversial works.

I agree with you some opinions are dead ends but some are not. I personally believe the priest should face eschatological East e.g. with his back to the people at Mass. Moreover, I do not think this is a petty argument and evidently neither do many credible scholars such as the now deceased Msgr Klaus Gamber, Fr Aidan Nichols OP and the current Pontiff, Benedict XVI, who wrote on the subject numerous times as Cardinal Ratzinger. In addition I believe this out of genuine concern and love for the sacramental nature of the Eucharist. Its not merely a question of asserting my rightness at the expense of others but arises out of a heart, which though full of sin, has seen enough of Our Lord in the Eucharist to want to him to have the whole focus of everyone in gratitude.

Its not cos we dont care that we fight but cos we do.

INXC
Myles

[rckllnknny]

[quote name='Myles' date='Nov 22 2005, 02:30 PM']I dont think its that bad. In fact I sorta miss the controversy what they were saying. It was interesting, enlightening in many places. Now, most of the 'debates' seem to be focussed around sex or sexually related ihave multiple threads with varying titles that are basically focussing upon the same thing e.g. homosexual [i]unions[/i] is to me a waste.

Yet not everyone is squabbling over silly issues and not everything here is dominated by hateful polemic. A lot of the topics ra times people's considerationse concerns about issues that they care about and want to have rehave multiple threads with varying titles that are basically focussing upon the same thing e.g. homosexual [i]unions[/i] is to me a waste.

Yet not everyone is squabbling over silly issues and not everything here is dominated by hateful polemic. A lot of the topics raised highlight people's genuine concerns about issues that they care about and want to have resolved or reviewed. A lot of the times people's considerations are really the kind of issues theologians are currenty debating e.g. the ordination of married men and lots of the issues appearing on Phatmass currently were also discussed by the Bishops of the Roman Synod in October, which shows we're not just babbling in isolation.

I saw your post on the firing of the teacher and that you disagreed with it.  I feel very sorry for her, my Mum wasn't married when she had me and she and my Father have never been together. Its not always been easy--it still isnt--but the pain caused by the consequences of sin cant act an excuse for it and as the child of a single-parent I have every right to say this. I do feel terribly sorry for both her and her baby and I think if she has expressed repentence and was still fired that the school could've reconsidered a little. Maybwever, if thats impossible and age group who can understand thl truly had no choice given the es daily (Prov. 24:16). However, if thats impossible and she is obstinate then the school truly had no choice given the impressionable youth under her care.

Arguably a little of the devotional side of phatmass is being neglected at the moment. Maybe we need to have a devotional board where we can speak solely about our spiritual lives and experiences? But at the same time I d






o think a lot of devotion is coming out in the passion that many of the phatpham show for what they feel is right. I dont think its just blind anger motivating much of the zeal shown in argument around here. I believe its genuine and loving concern for the Church through which the Holy Trinity has taught and nurtured us. Reading some of St Jerome's letterAMxne would get the impression that he was nothing but a bitter arrogant individual. Yet, does that really encapsulate the spirituality of Jerome? I think you would want us to show clemency towards the young fired teacher? Should you not then offer the same clemency towards the phatmassers?

Catholicism may be a unified system of belief but there are bound to be disagreements about things that are not dogmatically defined or held in doctrine by the ordinary magisterium. For centuries the Dominican and Franciscan scholars berated each other in the schools of Europe and when the Franciscans dropped the banner the Jesuits took it up. Even today the neo-Thomists and Balthasarians eye each other with suspicion. Argument in the history of Catholicism is commonplace and indeed it is a good thing because as St Thomas Aquinas taught nobody looses out from argument because arguments often result in a clearer exposition of the truth.

It is also logical to think that we as Catholics would argue with Protestants seeing as we have fundamentally differing views on what Christianity means. Yet, that doesn't equate to hate. Do not judge fierceness in reply to mean hate. Many of the great saints of the past lovers that they were were vicious in controversy e.g. St Augustine. Again one cannot judge the heart of Augustine solely on his controversial works.

I agree with you some opinions are dead ends but some are not. I personally believe the priest should face eschatological East e.g. with his back to the people at Mass. Moreover, I do not think this is a petty argument and evidently neither do many credible scholars such as the now deceased Msgr Klaus Gamber, Fr Aidan Nichols OP and the current Pontiff%ern and love for the sacramentalthe subject numerous times as Cardinal Ratzinger. In addition I believe this out of genuine concern and love for the sacramental nature of the Eucharist. Its not merely a question of asserting my rightness at the expense of others but arises out of a heart, which though full of sin, has seen enough of Our Lord in the Eucharist to want to him to have the whole focus of everyone in gratitude.

Its not cos we dont care that we fight but cos we do.

INXC
Myles
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that was a perfect example of disagreeing respectfully.
thank you.

[sweetpea316]

I respect that. You're cool in my book.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

just wanted to share this because it really inspired me and led me back to Rome:
[quote]We are of God. He that knoweth God, heareth us. He that is not of God, heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7 Dearly beloved, let us love one another, for charity is of God. And every one that loveth, is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not, knoweth not God: for God is charity.[/quote]