Something I've never seen done before at Mass

[missionseeker]

Today, at the preparation of the wine (), the deacon, instead of pouring the wine into the chalises and then the water, poured the water into the wine in the cruit (sp) and then poured the wine into the 2 chalises. Is that right, ok, allowed?

[journeyman]

I hope so . . . (even though we don't have a deacon) I've never seen it done any other way at our parish

[photosynthesis]

it's called the offeratory

[missionseeker]

oh. right. I thought there might be some special name for it.

[photosynthesis]

a lot of parishes also call it "the preparation of the gifts"

[photosynthesis]

or the presentation!

[missionseeker]

I thought I had heard it called different names.

[Paphnutius]

Yes I believe it is permissible.

[Fidei Defensor]

I've always seen doing it in that manner as removing the symbolism a bit. Adding the water to the wine in the Chalice has more symbolism and importance attached to it, than just adding the water prior to pouring the wine into the Chalice.

[Matty_boy]

I would be cautious about that. Each Sacrament has to follow specific matter and form and I'm not sure that what the deacon did follows.

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='Matty_boy' date='Dec 2 2005, 10:59 AM']I would be cautious about that.  Each Sacrament has to follow specific matter and form and I'm not sure that what the deacon did follows.
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par 178 of the Girm actually says to pour the wine and water in the chalice.