Baptism

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 1 2005, 09:35 PM']I like Dr. Hahn. Sometimes I'll run into him at St. Peters and then when I get home I'll turn on EWTN and see him on there and be like, "wait, wasn't he just at st. pete's?". hehehe

He must have a transporter in his house that leads to the EWTN studios.

j/k, I'm not that dumb. I'm sure they pre-record everything. I'm still amused by it.. Maybe I'm just easily amused.
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[rkwright]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 1 2005, 09:28 PM']No, I'm not taking any classes by Hahn. My biblical studies class is taught by Dr. Bergsma, a former Calvinist Protestant clergy from my hometown of Grand Rapids. He was the pastor at a church just down the block from my Baptist one. Dr. Hahn does teach (and has popularized) covenant theology, but he is hardly the first pioneer. It's been about 8,000 years in the making. I don't see how it is possible to believe in the Bible and think salvaiton is about legal contracts. God deals with man through covenants. it can even be said that the very first covenant was the marriage covenant between Adam and Eve in perfect union with God. But the very hinges of the Old and New Testament are covenental - the New Covenant in Jesus (Eucharistic) and the old covenants through Adam, Noah, Moses, and David.
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yea when I heard his talk (a CD a group gave me) it was obvious that he isn't the pioneer of this, but on the other hand he was the first person I've heard about it from. It doesn't seem to be something we hear about in our homilies...but I after hearing the talk, parts of the mass have taken on new meaning for me "the blood of the new convenant".

This is a little off topic, but I had one other real quick question... during this CD (his conversion talk) he says that at the first time at his mass he wanted to stand up and explain all the prayers we use and where they come from in the Bible. Obviously during consecration it comes from the last supper, and the our father, but what about all the other prayers? anyone know off the top of their head where they are in the Bible? just curious...

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 1 2005, 08:37 PM']
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do you remember Crosby's show on EWTN several years back? I don't know what it is, but seeing people on TV who are from real life just cracks me up every time.

Did you go to Raymond Arroyo's thing the other day? I missed it

hmm.. phatmass should have its own TV show. that would be cool.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='rkwright' date='Dec 1 2005, 08:46 PM']yea when I heard his talk (a CD a group gave me) it was obvious that he isn't the pioneer of this, but on the other hand he was the first person I've heard about it from.  It doesn't seem to be something we hear about in our homilies...but I after hearing the talk, parts of the mass have taken on new meaning for me "the blood of the new convenant".

This is a little off topic, but I had one other real quick question... during this CD (his conversion talk) he says that at the first time at his mass he wanted to stand up and explain all the prayers we use and where they come from in the Bible.  Obviously during consecration it comes from the last supper, and the our father, but what about all the other prayers? anyone know off the top of their head where they are in the Bible? just curious...
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There are books that get into that. That's actually why I prefer the Tridentine Mass, its more rich Biblically speaking. I wonder what Hahn thinks of it.

[rkwright]

n\m while browsing another section I found a link for it
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I also like the Tridentine Mass better for the prayers, but I also like being able to hear the priest during consecration.

[Ora et Labora]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 1 2005, 08:50 PM']There are books that get into that. That's actually why I prefer the Tridentine Mass, its more rich Biblically speaking. I wonder what Hahn thinks of it.
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Doesnt Hann have some new fangled idea...he descovered something or somethen' like that?? He did [i]something[/i] that was questionable.

But I did read Rome Sweet Home. He had an interesting life, but with many graces. Good book.

~Kristina

[Ora et Labora]

I go to the Tridentine Mass as well. I love it. I guess y'all know that though by now...

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='rkwright' date='Dec 1 2005, 09:46 PM']This is a little off topic, but I had one other real quick question... during this CD (his conversion talk) he says that at the first time at his mass he wanted to stand up and explain all the prayers we use and where they come from in the Bible.  Obviously during consecration it comes from the last supper, and the our father, but what about all the other prayers? anyone know off the top of their head where they are in the Bible? just curious...
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There is a online resource that links up scripture with each part of the mass. Not sure where it is and i'm on a school computer that won't let me copy and paste.

[tojo]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Nov 30 2005, 12:32 PM']SOME Protestants... others baptize infants...
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don't worry hsmom, we''ve already covered this....

[N/A Gone]

hahn is considered fundi in the protestnat world, sad really we could use someone educated in both churches

[phatcatholic]

i know this is off-topic (sorry), but why is Hahn considered a fundamentalist by protestant theologians?

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 5 2005, 05:58 AM']i know this is off-topic (sorry), but why is Hahn considered a fundamentalist by protestant theologians?
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I answered this question on page 2

[tojo]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 01:19 AM']hahn is considered fundi in the protestnat world, sad really we could use someone educated in both churches
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Hahn, a Fundie, please. May be he was an Evangelical, but as a Presbyterian I would never have consider him a Fundamentalist, they're pedobaptistic!

Edited December 6, 2005 by tomasio127