The new hybrid addition

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

what you fail to understand is that Luther was a bad person who did bad things. you are still thinking like a protestant.

[N/A Gone]

yes, and I pray that those roots will always run deep...I dont see him as a bad person, or as someone who has done bad things. He opened pandoras box. but we had a role in it also. The reformation was not luthers fault as much as luther was the spark that the wood needed.

wanna wrestle?

How am i "thinking like a protestant" because i dont hate luther?

[The Joey-O]

Hehe...I second the hybrid theory. My conversion to Catholicism wasn't a rejection of my old faith. Frankly, I didn't have much of a problem with it. I was a healthy growing Christian. I just found more in Catholicism. I still maintane a lot of attributes from my Protestant self. In reality, I only had to change a few opinions.

[N/A Gone]

hehe..ecumenism at its best..

btw, I copyright the hybrid term.. Im using it in a book.

[homeschoolmom]

I was pretty happy as a Protestant... not at all looking to change churches. I certainly didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater when I became a Catholic. Just had to meld my old and new beliefs-- toss out the bad of the old and keep the good... add the Catholic stuff.. voila!

[N/A Gone]

the hybrids are growing....taking over the world..!!!

now that we have a mom we cant be stoped...she is our hybrid mini-van...cause all moms love minivans

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 1 2005, 09:57 PM']yes, and I pray that those roots will always run deep...I dont see him as a bad person, or as someone who has done bad things. He opened pandoras box. but we had a role in it also. The reformation was not luthers fault as much as luther was the spark that the wood needed.

wanna wrestle?

How am i "thinking like a protestant" because i dont hate luther?
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Luther was a bad guy. how do you not see him as a bad guy? this might seem a bit obvious but a lot of protestants like Luther, you seem to be in love with the man so thats why i said you still think like a protestant.

btw I do not Hate Luther.

[The Joey-O]

Luther did some bad things, because of his limited understanding. Luther was a little crazy, but he was not the great heretic you and others like you keep saying. He was excommunicated not for his sola beliefs, but because he represented a political threat.

Hatred of persons is wrong.

[The Joey-O]

P.S. - I'm not defending the Sola views. They're bad. I just reread what I wrote and it sorta sounded like I was defending the Sola views. That is NOT what I'm doing.

[N/A Gone]

ecns...

im ecumenical, i do have a protestant background in theology, and Im an augustine influenced theologian. So I understand the path luther went down. I understood his depression and how it must have felt to be ignored by the church. He wanted reform on issues that we have reformed. Yet instead of embracing him as a devoted christian we kicked him out because he had influence. JPII says in Ut Unum Sint that both sides have been hurtful and both sides need to seek forgiveness.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

sure luther wanted Reform but Luther also wanted change. he was a by faith alone, by scripture alone person and he wanted to change the church. its not just the reforms of the abuses he wanted changed.

[tojo]

[quote name='The Joey-O' date='Dec 2 2005, 03:45 AM']Hehe...I second the hybrid theory. My conversion to Catholicism wasn't a rejection of my old faith. Frankly, I didn't have much of a problem with it. I was a healthy growing Christian. I just found more in Catholicism. I still maintane a lot of attributes from my Protestant self. In reality, I only had to change a few opinions.
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[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 2 2005, 08:45 AM']I was pretty happy as a Protestant... not at all looking to change churches. I certainly didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater when I became a Catholic. Just had to meld my old and new beliefs-- toss out the bad of the old and keep the good... add the Catholic stuff.. voila!
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I very much feel the same way. Much like as Evangelicals how we thought that Jews who converted became fullfilled or completed Jews, we can think even more so think of our conversion as the fullfillment or completion of our faith.

I took the pieces of my puzzle, added a few more, re-arranged some stuff, and the picture is now much prettier this way.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='The Joey-O' date='Dec 2 2005, 04:55 PM']Luther did some bad things, because of his limited understanding. Luther was a little crazy, but he was not the great heretic you and others like you keep saying. He was excommunicated not for his sola beliefs, but because he represented a political threat.

Hatred of persons is wrong.
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luther was not a heretic? have you read his commentary on galatians? he taught sola fide, sola scriptura, and OSAS

[N/A Gone]

"great" heretic is the exact word

also, it is debated how much of the sola's he taught before or after the excommunication.

[photosynthesis]

I think it's cool that you're so interested in theology and everything, BUT...

no amount of theological training will ever matter if you yourself do not believe what is true.

[N/A Gone]

once again, you preach at me..did I run over your dog or what is your issue? What do you know about my beliefs that would give you any authority to judge them?

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 06:00 AM']once again, you preach at me..did I run over your dog or what is your issue? What do you know about my beliefs that would give you any authority to judge them?
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It wasn't really a judgment, more of a warning.

I have a lot of friends who are budding theologians... some of them went to college with me and majored in Religion... a few of them are in Protestant theological seminaries (union, fuller, princeton, etc). They are very well-educated. Probably better-educated on the subject of theology than I am. I majored in media studies in college and while I am interested in theology, I have no formal education. I'd say most of these friends have read more of the Bible than I have, more of the Early Church Fathers, and more of the great theologians than I have. However, some of them are atheists! Some of them buy into heresy. Some of them don't know what they're talking about. Even though I don't have a theology degree, I can still say that they are wrong, though. Not because of any special knowledge I have, but because I know what the Church teaches and I know that what the Church teaches is true.

Be careful that you do not put too much trust in your education. Sometimes theology can actually draw us away from God, and not towards Him, especially if the university you study at is not properly aligned with good Catholic teaching.

[N/A Gone]

thank you..

btw, I like the prayer forum thing

[Anastasia13]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 1 2005, 06:11 AM']But lately my teachers have said my role might be as a translator explaining protestant doctrine in a catholic tongue, and explaining catholic teachings in a way protestants can understand..

so Im a hybrid.. that was long


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Ah, *enlightenment happens* t'is cool.

[tojo]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Dec 5 2005, 06:11 AM']It wasn't really a judgment, more of a warning.

I have a lot of friends who are budding theologians...  some of them went to college with me and majored in Religion...  a few of them are in Protestant theological seminaries (union, fuller, princeton, etc).  They are very well-educated.  Probably better-educated on the subject of theology than I am.  I majored in media studies in college and while I am interested in theology, I have no formal education.  I'd say most of these friends have read more of the Bible than I have, more of the Early Church Fathers, and more of the great theologians than I have.  However, some of them are atheists!  Some of them buy into heresy.  Some of them don't know what they're talking about.  Even though I don't have a theology degree, I can still say that they are wrong, though.  Not because of any special knowledge I have, but because I know what the Church teaches and I know that what the Church teaches is true.

Be careful that you do not put too much trust in your education.  Sometimes theology can actually draw us away from God, and not towards Him, especially if the university you study at is not properly aligned with good Catholic teaching.
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Bah.... there will always be a smarter theologian who disagrees with you, and one with him, and so on. So much for all that, give me infallibility!