The Joey-O Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 I heard that time was a sacramental. I know the difference betwen sacrament and sacramental and that there are a bunch of sacramentals, but I was wondering if I could get an answer to if time is, indeed, a sacramental and some sort of proof to back it up, too. Thanx. In Christ's Love, JoeyO
Aloysius Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 time is the progression of moments, a force created by God which the whole universe is subject to perhaps you mean the MEASUREMENT of time? i.e., clocks, calanders, minutes, days.. these are things which we create. hmmm I still don't see any chance of that being a sacramental
phatcatholic Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 hmm, i dunno, i've often heard people say that "time is sacred" and that, since time is a gift, we can (and should) use our time to give glory to God and to bless others. maybe it is in that sense that one could say that time is a "sacrmaental".............if we understand a "sacramental" to be a gift from God that blesses us. i dunno, just thinking out loud.....
Paphnutius Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Dec 4 2005, 08:06 AM']perhaps you mean the MEASUREMENT of time? i.e., clocks, calanders, minutes, days.. these are things which we create. hmmm I still don't see any chance of that being a sacramental [right][snapback]810462[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Piggybacking on this: Could one consider the liturgical year and feast days as sacramentals? CCC[quote]1667 "Holy Mother Church has, moreover, instituted sacramentals. These are sacred signs which bear a resemblance to the sacraments. They signify effects, particularly of a spiritual nature, which are obtained through the intercession of the Church. By them men are disposed to receive the chief effect of the sacraments, and various occasions in life are rendered holy." 1677 Sacramentals are sacred signs instituted by the Church. They prepare men to receive the fruit of the sacraments and sanctify different circumstances of life. [/quote]So could the liturgical calendar as a measurment of time be a sign instituted by the Church to prepare men to receive the sacraments. Thinking aloud as always...This is going to get me in trouble one of these days.
journeyman Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 Since so many of our sacraments have earthly texture - the water of baptism, the oils of annoiting, the bread and wine of eucharist . . . I think it's fairly well accepted that the whole world is somewhat of a sacramental, and it fits the CCC definition since various aspects of creation can signify the spiritual graces obtained through the sacraments. While I don't think the Church has gone so far as to call a clock or a calendar a sacramental . . . the calendar is designed to "lead" the people of the Church to a better understanding of, and a better reception of, the sacraments, and hopefully, a better appreciation of the graces received. don't worry about thinking aloud . . . answering yourself, debating yourself . . . out loud . . . well, maybe some people would worry, but I think a lot of us do that here
N/A Gone Posted December 5, 2005 Posted December 5, 2005 time is a principle of science, and in that it is also a principle of creation, and in its concept as a principle of creation I guess it could be observed as a sacremental. BUT, as a principle of science it is the same as the church believing theologically that the 3rd law of thermodynamics has a sacramental principle. Or that gravity can have a sacramental principle because wine is "poured" Not to be a kantian or anything dear fluff, but as science is soft and constantly changing any form of theology dependant on a temporay aspect of a scientific awareness is in serious problems. ala time
phatcatholic Posted December 5, 2005 Posted December 5, 2005 who is "fluff" and why do you keep referring to him?
N/A Gone Posted December 5, 2005 Posted December 5, 2005 JoeyO is fluff...typically he names himself "dr.JoeyO fluff" yet on this board he commited the sin of only half a name...I instinctively say fluff.
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