God and Afterlife

[Semalsia]

Even if there is God that doesn't mean there is an afterlife. So how do you know there is one?

[philothea]

Because in God's revelation to us He said so.

To be honest, it seems pretty improbable to me, but I don't get to think up reality for myself. (That's for the best, I'm sure.)

[Semalsia]

Revelation? So you don't know.

It's improbable that there is or that there isn't?

[photosynthesis]

I agree with philothea...

another interesting thing is that there are people who have "near death experiences.." I don't know much about this phenomena but I know that it's lead some people to believe in an afterlife

[philothea]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Dec 5 2005, 07:36 PM']Revelation? So you don't know.

It's improbable that there is or that there isn't?
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Of course I don't "know" -- still being alive and all. But "knowing" is a slippery slope. Nobody "knows" anything.

To my uninformed feelings, an afterlife seems improbable. I do believe in it, though.

[photosynthesis]

I think it's probable

[Semalsia]

[quote] "near death experiences.."[/quote]

Dreams. Hardly a reliable source of knowledge.

[quote]Nobody "knows" anything.[/quote]

This is weird. Then why does everyone keep saying God exists and they have no doubts about it?


Agh... I think you just made every question pointless. It's all faith and nothing else, isn't it?

[Socrates]

[quote name='Semalsia' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:11 PM']Dreams. Hardly a reliable source of knowledge.
This is weird. Then why does everyone keep saying God exists and they have no doubts about it?
Agh... I think you just made every question pointless. It's all faith and nothing else, isn't it?
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Well, there's only one way of finding out first hand . . .

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:13 PM']Well, there's only one way of finding out first hand . . .
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[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='philothea' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:42 PM']Of course I don't "know" -- still being alive and all.  But "knowing" is a slippery slope.  Nobody "knows" anything.
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Technically, we can know some things. We know that God exists, but that doesn't mean we know anything about Him besides. We know that we exist. We know concrete mathematical relations, etc.

[philothea]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:26 PM']Technically, we can know some things.  We know that God exists, but that doesn't mean we know anything about Him besides.  We know that we exist.  We know concrete mathematical relations, etc.
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But that's all debatable.

I stopped liking philosophy many years ago.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:26 PM']Technically, we can know some things.  We know that God exists, but that doesn't mean we know anything about Him besides.  We know that we exist.  We know concrete mathematical relations, etc.
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i don't know much about concrete mathematical relations :

[philothea]

Gnomons!

[photosynthesis]

haha I thought I was going to have to know all about gnomons for this big math test that I had today... turns out Jesus really loves me and He decided not to make me figure out gnomons for the test. yay Jesus!

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='philothea' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:30 PM']But that's all debatable.   
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Cogito ergo ego sum?!

Really though, one of the preambles of faith is that humans can know that there is a God through light of human reason.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Dec 5 2005, 09:52 PM']Cogito ergo ego sum?! 

Really though, one of the preambles of faith is that humans can know that there is a God through light of human reason.
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It's a dogmatically defined teaching, too. Look up [u]Dei Filius[/u] from Vatican I.

[philothea]

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:52 PM']Cogito ergo ego sum?! 
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Tee hee.

[quote name='Paphnutius' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:52 PM']Really though, one of the preambles of faith is that humans can know that there is a God through light of human reason.
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I know, I know. I'm being lazy and uncharitable and jumping to the (I fear) inevitable conclusion. Bad me.

I hope it's obvious that do think things can be reasoned out and known.

[jezic]

one might find a belief in the afterlife something of a peculiarity because so many humans want to live forever and it would seem to be a natural extension of that.

However, if you can prove that God exists, it would seem to go against reason to create a creature in his own image to have it cease to exist in a short while later. It would seem to be a litlte bit strange.

[Guest JeffCR07]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Dec 5 2005, 08:26 PM']Technically, we can know some things.  We know that God exists, but that doesn't mean we know anything about Him besides.  We know that we exist.  We know concrete mathematical relations, etc.
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Actually, as an Anselmian, I must say that I find all the truths of the Faith to follow from our understanding the notion of God as "that than which nothing greater can be conceived" : lol

[philothea]

[quote name='JeffCR07' date='Dec 5 2005, 10:57 PM']Actually, as an Anselmian, I must say that I find all the truths of the Faith to follow from our understanding the notion of God as "that than which nothing greater can be conceived"    :  lol
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Aaagh!

Pesky sober philosophy students!!! :