face transplant

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
12/11 - Gaudete Sunday

Laying aside the question of "brain death", can vital organs be removed from the body after clinical death but before somatic cell death?

[jmjtina]

Why is taking the face off of someone else rubbing me the wrong way?

Transplants are one thing: heart, liver, etc, [i]but faces[/i]?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but when did a "face" become a " vital organ"?

To me, you can live without it, unlike a heart, liver or kidney. (or get some surgery done on your face.)

There are alternatives. To me it's stripping the human dignity of the person when we allow someone to strip the face off of someone else.

[prose]

Did you see the transplant? It wasn't a face, really. I dog had mauled her when she was unconscious after an overdose and she lost her nose, chin, and jaw. she had nothing left on her face.

I am not sure she could survive or not, but she certainly doesn't look pretty, so it wasn't for cosmetics. It was more to give her use of her lower face.

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So on another note, I still don't understand. Does the Church reject transplants? Are we supposed to oppose them?

[jmjtina]

the fact that is being debated is "brain death" and the ethical use of transplants.

This is a new transplant.

Transplants are okay if done ethically as stated, but this recent transplant has come under fire for being unethical. The Church sets the criteria, the problem is when the scientific and health feild don't agree on the set criteria.

So they take off the face of someone to put pieces back together? I'm not trying to be unsensitive, but I've seen pictures of people without those, most notably when I was doing research on climbers from Mt. Everest who had gotten extreme frostbite.

The problem is when they take a face (pieces, a whole face, does it matter?) from someone else, because they claim they are "dead". As stated, the criteria for "brain death" varies greatly from the U.S. and Europe.

And that's scary.

Edited December 12, 2005 by jmjtina

[photosynthesis]

i don't see what the big deal is with the immunosuppressants

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
12/12 - Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe

Does "brain death" include clinical death?

[cmotherofpirl]

no.
Did you read the link?

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
12/12 - Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe

Yes, I read it, and I got the feeling that it was about what constitutes brain death. Since the definition seemed so fluid, I didn't know whether it could include clinical death.

So, my question is, is it ethical to remove vital organs from someone who has entered clinical death but not somatic cell death? Or are organs useless by this time?

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 10 2005, 11:28 AM']I didn't initially have a problem with the woman having a face transplant -- until reading that it was from a live donor. Eww.
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oh, me also
i thought is was kinda cool...


but now
i love how it is decided ahead of time how a story will be presented by the msm, and facts and details that come up after the fact are ignored
grrrrrr...

[Lounge Daddy]

related Onion News:
[quote][b]Autopsy Reveals Subject Was Still Alive When Autopsy Began[/b]
County coroner James Hextall announced Monday that a thorough autopsy of C. W. Milodragovitch, a local tavern owner pulled from an automobile accident last Saturday night, revealed that the man had been alive at the start of the autopsy. "Our findings reveal that Mr. Milodragovitch lost a great deal of blood from a very deep Y-shaped incision in his torso, which extended from his shoulders to the pubic bone," Hextall said. "There is also evidence of defensive wounds on the fingers, most likely produced from fighting off a scalpel, and the wrists show ligature abrasions where the subject resisted being restrained to an examination table and having his still-beating heart removed and weighed." The sheriff's office has ruled the death an accident pending an autopsy.[/quote]
[url="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43453"]article here[/url]

[Lounge Daddy]

but maybe there will be a day soon when that wont be funny - only because it is no big deal...

[Cow of Shame]

[quote name='jmjtina' date='Dec 11 2005, 08:40 PM'] To me it's stripping the human dignity of the person when we allow someone to strip the face off of someone else.
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We aren't talking [url="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119094/"][i]Face Off[/i][/url] here. I think this is just a temporary measure...a step in the right direction...until we are able to generate bits of faces in petri dishes.

[dUSt]

The only way I would want a face transplant is if I could get it from a "brain dead" black dude. That would be sweet. Then I could say that I was bi-racial.