Swinger's Sex Clubs now legal in Canada!

[Church Punk]

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Unbelievable! Just another further downward spiral after making gay marriage legal in the country!

[quote]Canada's top court says clubs that feature group sex and partner-swapping are perfectly legal.

In its 7-2 decision released Wednesday, the Supreme Court of Canada said, because consensual sexual activity in a private club poses no threat to society, it shouldn't be considered criminal.

The ruling sets a single standard, after lower courts went in opposite directions on two similar cases involving a pair of so-called 'swinger clubs' in Montreal.

In one case, the owner of a singles club was convicted on two counts of keeping a common bawdy house and fined a total of $7,500.

James Kouri's "Coeur a Corps" featured a dance floor around which a black curtain would swing every half hour. People hidden behind the drapery could then take part in or watch sex acts.

In the other case, Jean-Paul Labaye, the owner of the members-only "liberated couples" club L'Orage was also convicted of keeping a bawdy house and fined $2,500.

Members of Labaye's club could enter a locked room where they could participate in or watch sex acts.[/quote]

Edited December 21, 2005 by Church Punk

[Didacus]

carp!

some punk just had to find out and post this....



Is there any positive way to describe where Canada is heading these days?

Edited December 21, 2005 by Didacus

[Nathan]

Well, there's an election coming up next month. The Conservatives have an outside chance. That's about it.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Nathan' date='Dec 21 2005, 01:39 PM']Well, there's an election coming up next month. The Conservatives have an outside chance. That's about it.
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thanks... I feel so encouraged.

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

You got me all excited talking about swingers and clubs.





I thought this was a thread about golf.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote]In its 7-2 decision released Wednesday, the Supreme Court of Canada said, [b]because consensual sexual activity in a private club poses no threat to society[/b], it shouldn't be considered criminal.[/quote]

[zdog042]

Raphael, I hear you. all around.

It doesn't affect society. That just makes me sad that people could believe that their actions won't affect others, even when it involves an extremely intimate action.

Needless to say, I'd be mad if my fiance went to one of those, so it would affect me, and through me, society.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote]Swinger's Sex Clubs now legal in Canada!, Can you believe this?[/quote]

yes i can believe this - because Canada seems to be the liberal socialist playground
so we need to stop this ideology here in the USA

liberalism is a virus

[Socrates]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Dec 21 2005, 09:34 PM']yes i can believe this - because Canada seems to be the liberal socialist playground
so we need to stop this ideology here in the USA

liberalism is a virus
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What scares me is I look at Canada, and realize that this is the way the U.S. would become if the the liberal Democrats had unopposed power in this country.

(And the more immoral legislation is passed in Canada, England, and other countries, the more impetus it will give American liberals to follow in their footsteps, "so we won't be behind the rest of the world.")

[PadreSantiago]

this is so cool, where do I sign up for this thing I keep hearing about called Freedom? Canada you say?

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[Laudate_Dominum]

Freedom cannot be an end in itself. This leads to absurdism and "nausea" if you like Sartre. Man cannot be defined as freedom in some arbitrary and ultimately absurd sense. Only by discovering the realm of values does man's freedom find meaning. When a society proceeds according to the presupposition that there are no authentic values outside of the individual subjective perception (which is itself already an absurdity), such a society is on the road to ruin.
It is values that bind a society, not the anti-value of relativism.

If I may pontificate: the ultimate meaning and end of freedom is synergy with the Divine. Free-will is indicative of man's transcendent end; if freedom is not understood according to its nature as self-transcending, it cannot truly be called freedom, but is merely an absurd, animalistic enslavement.

I'm done.. America.. Gotta love freedom of speech.

[PadreSantiago]

I can't even reply to that, it's 2 am and I'm stoned so. I just want you to know that I mean freedom under the social contract. Meaning freedom as long as you don't infringe on others freedom.

because consensual sexual activity in a private club poses no threat to society, it shouldn't be considered criminal.

I think that pretty much sums it up. It's a private club where consensial sex takes place. It isn't criminal in any way and if it offends you, don't goto the club. I can't imagine any of yous guys going so why does this affect you.

[PadreSantiago]

I wanted to add I live in dallas where certain strip clubs are practically whore houses. So do strip clubs upset you guys or does it just upset you when the government decides it's ok to do?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Dec 22 2005, 01:18 AM']I can't even reply to that, it's 2 am and I'm stoned so.  I just want you to know that I mean freedom under the social contract.  Meaning freedom as long as you don't infringe on others freedom.

because consensual sexual activity in a private club poses no threat to society, it shouldn't be considered criminal.

I think that pretty much sums it up.  It's a private club where consensial sex takes place.  It isn't criminal in any way and if it offends you, don't goto the club.  I can't imagine any of yous guys going so why does this affect you.
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haha, I just felt like spouting off a little.. it's late and I'm bored.. I wasn't really fishing for a debate. Although this is the debate table.. muahahaha..

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Dec 22 2005, 01:20 AM']I wanted to add I live in dallas where certain strip clubs are practically whore houses.  So do strip clubs upset you guys or does it just upset you when the government decides it's ok to do?
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both. such things offend the dignity of women, they threaten the family, encourage lust and other things which on a social level threaten the integrity of family, etc.. a government that can be so shallow and irresponsible has lost my confidence completely.

They are encouraging the degradation of women, which in turn effects the way men perceive women (as objects, etc) this effects marital fidelity, and sexual promiscuity, etc. this effects the lives of our children.. Basically I don't see any way that such evils contribute any good to society, they are just destructive on many levels. Given that the family is already being systematically destroyed, it strikes me as odd that a government would think it wise to encourage and legitimize such things.

[PadreSantiago]

well i think you were saying you can't have ultimate freedom because that means you have no values?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Dec 22 2005, 01:32 AM']well i think you were saying you can't have ultimate freedom because that means you have no values?
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Basically if freedom is defined as simply the power to choose or not to choose (arbitrary autonomy), then it is an end in itself. But when this is supposed freedom becomes meaningless and absurd. It is the realm of values in which freedom is exercised according to meaning and a higher end. Free-will (a bit distinct from freedom, but that's ok) is self-transcending so freedom must have a goal or end beyond itself to avoid arbitrariness and absurdity. Thus freedom is the power to choose what is good. It is the capacity to participate in the transcendent realm of values. Choosing what is evil is a misuse of freedom and really negates authentic freedom.

I'm just kicking around ideas. The real question as I see it is: how does one go about discovering or encountering this realm of values so that they might participate in it and realize authentic freedom as well as attain an apprehension of the true meaning of their life?

[PadreSantiago]

you can have freedom and not make a choice. Like right now I could go in my room and get my gun and start shooting people. But my frontal lobe works correctly so it tells me that's a bad idea. Having freedom and values is really only a problem for serial killers and psychopaths. If one of these sex clubs showed up in america, which btw they are everywhere already, people who are into would go and people who weren't would stay away.

Edited December 22, 2005 by PadreSantiago

[Church Punk]

Padre,
the biggest differance between these clubs in the US and in Canada is that in Canada the women are completely nude, no underware what so ever. In quebec men or patrons are even allowed to touch these girls while they are dancing. Now you are even allow to have sex with them if you want! This is way different than the current laws in most of the US - well most states, where dancers are required to have their lower potion must be covered.

[Brother Adam]

Isn't this type of sexual deviancy what causes great civilizations to crumble?