catholicinsd Posted January 3, 2006 Author Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Myles' date='Jan 2 2006, 10:08 PM']Hey there. I was concieved outside of wedlock also. I love my Mum to death and she's the only parent I've ever known. I was never really ashamed of the circumstances of my birth but I cannot agree with you that its not a bad thing. I will not take insults towards my Mum lightly--if at all--nonetheless I cant say my manner of conception was right. Thats not a judgement upon my Mum being a thoroughbreed transgressor I couldnt take to pull the splint out of her eye whilst I'm carrying the amazon in my eyelids. Nonetheless, to say we are without sin is to call God a liar as the beloved disciple says. If God says something is a sin then its a sin. I'm not embarrased of my mother, I love her, and I think she's a great Mum too (the best actually ). People make mistakes (I know that fact better than most I fancy being such a sinner) and thats nothing to be ashamed of. After all shame does not cause conversion, acts of the will do that and they can be accompanied by no profound emotions at all. However, just because I love her that doesn't mean I can rubber stamp her misdemenours. Likewise, just because I love myself that doesn't mean that when I fall into fits of temper or act selfishly that I can simply gloss over my actions. Thats just not how it works and for good reason... ...for by our sins we know the love of God. O felix culpa! Amongst men it is difficult to find someone who you can be horrible to almost continually from birth to death who will love you inspite of that fact. Yet, with God with whom we have a relationship like a man and his wife (Ep 5) there is never any refusal to forgive. Though through our sins we make ourselves the daughter of the chaldeans and the whore of babylon, like Hosea did to His wife God comes after us and not just one, twice or thrice but an innumerable number of times. He who needs nothing and who is absolutely and utterly beyond any [i]thing[/i] indeed took on the nature of a low thing, a servant, unto death, death on a cross (Philipians 2:5-7) so that we sinners might again be called children of God (Jn 1:14) through the indwelling of God in our souls (Jn 14:18-20) making us partakers in the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4) and no matter how many times we reject our inheritance through sin He persues us, madly until He finds us again (2 Tim 2:13) drawing us back into His home with great rejoicing (Luke 15 all inclusive ). Such love, such unconditional and dependable love is unknown to man even in his deepest relationships and only God can teach him love and give him the grace to truly love (1 Cor 13) and thus it is proved that God only allows evil that He might draw from it greater good: A deeper realisation of how much He loves us. Does that mean we should sin so that grace can abound? By no means! Read Romans 6. However, what it does mean is that when we do sin we should not spend our time wallowing in self-pity and shame and indeed the very appreance of shame is unsettling. For shame is the offspring of that unforgiveable and principle evil: pride. You're only ashamed if you feel your pride, your self, has been taken down a notch or two. Pride drowns the individual in shame and pride refuses to accept sin and open itself to the Love of God accordingly. Hence, shame and pride become obstacles to the Kingdom of God being born within you. God loves my Mum and me not cos we are without sin but inspite of those sins for whilst we were still sinners He died for us. I love my Jesus, I love my Mummy, and I love myself. I haven't the time for shame it would cloud the vision of Christ's forgiving face too much. When we accept our sins O how loved we feel... Deo Gracias! INXC Myles PS) My spiritual directors have been priests of Opus Dei and they've never said anything about membership issues. Cam would know best though. [right][snapback]843871[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's how I feel also. Now we can add another name to the list
Guest Rick777 Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 Myles your great. I was born out of wedlock too and your post was inspiring.
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jan 2 2006, 09:11 PM']Or just ambush a Knight of the Holy Sepulchre at the march for life or something. [right][snapback]843875[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Be on the lookout for these dudes: [img]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b17/fangorn35/knightsoftheholysepulchre.jpg[/img]
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 are they ordained priests? are they brothers? or just laypersons?
Cam42 Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 Can we get this thread closed? It is a bit inappropriate.
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 2 2006, 09:18 PM']are they ordained priests? are they brothers? or just laypersons? [right][snapback]843885[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Its a lay order of knights that goes back to the middle ages. I like this pic: [img]http://www.khs.org.uk/images/khsmasssm.JPG[/img]
catholicinsd Posted January 3, 2006 Author Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 2 2006, 10:18 PM']are they ordained priests? are they brothers? or just laypersons? [right][snapback]843885[/snapback][/right] [/quote] And can "love" children join?
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 i would love to be a knight.
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 This one is phat too. I imagine in earlier times they wore armour and all that. And they were hosemen so they would have had phat armour and cool horses. [img]http://www.ocdmalta.org/visit%20relics/23-07-03%20pics/large48.jpg[/img]
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 2 2006, 09:25 PM']i would love to be a knight. [right][snapback]843898[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Me too! You would be "Sir Sam". That'd be cool. [img]http://www.ocdmalta.org/visit%20relics/23-07-03%20pics/large67.jpg[/img]
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 that would be sweet. the only question is: is there a website?
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 2 2006, 09:27 PM']that would be sweet. the only question is: is there a website? [right][snapback]843905[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yeah, hold on.. here they are in papal audience: [img]http://khsnsw.org/images/popegreet.JPG[/img]
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 nice! gots to love those papal audiences. b
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 2 2006, 09:27 PM']that would be sweet. the only question is: is there a website? [right][snapback]843905[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Their official website: [url="http://www.holysepulchre.net/"]http://www.holysepulchre.net/[/url] Some related site: [url="http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/holysep.htm"]http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/holysep.htm[/url] [url="http://malta.co.uk/KHS/"]http://malta.co.uk/KHS/[/url] [url="http://www.khs.org.uk/"]http://www.khs.org.uk/[/url]
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 thanks I will check them out!
catholicinsd Posted January 3, 2006 Author Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jan 2 2006, 10:29 PM']Their official website: [url="http://www.holysepulchre.net/"]http://www.holysepulchre.net/[/url] Some related site: [url="http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/holysep.htm"]http://www.chivalricorders.org/vatican/holysep.htm[/url] [url="http://malta.co.uk/KHS/"]http://malta.co.uk/KHS/[/url] [url="http://www.khs.org.uk/"]http://www.khs.org.uk/[/url] [right][snapback]843912[/snapback][/right] [/quote] can bastards join?
Fides_et_Ratio Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 [quote name='Cam42' date='Jan 2 2006, 11:19 PM']Can we get this thread closed? It is a bit inappropriate. [right][snapback]843886[/snapback][/right] [/quote] agreed.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 3, 2006 Posted January 3, 2006 can trads join or do i have to get a dispensation for that!
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