LIBERALS AND DEMS: Convince me

[Matty_boy]

You wanna talk about corruption? How about President Clinton and Janet Reno who falsely imprisoned Wen Ho Lee for stealing nuclear secrets. What about Janet Reno's mishandling of the standoff in WACO? How about President Clintons former security advisor, Sandy Burger, who was caught stuffing documents down his pants at the National Archives two summers ago. (Wasn't that just before the 9/11 commission report?) Able Danger? Selling overnight trips to the Lincoln bedroom? Just to name a few.

Edited January 9, 2006 by Matty_boy

[Akalyte]

[quote name='zwergel88' date='Jan 8 2006, 12:13 PM']Okay, here is a consise explaination of why I am totally against Bush and nearly everything that he does...

100,000 civilians may have died in Iraq not to mention the over 2000 dead American soldiers.

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Thanks to the Democratic Party more babies than all american soldiers in all our wars combined have died. 50,000,000. Since roe v. wade. 40 years?

Edited January 10, 2006 by Akalyte

[Mercy me]

I really am confused by all this Bush lied stuff. The facts are the Saddam both had and used WMDs. Saddam flagrantly violated the terms of the cease fire from Gulf War 1. He kicked out the UN inspectors sent to ensure the WMDs had been distroyed but not before harassing them for years. He regularly shot at US planes enforcing the no-fly zones. He harbored terrorists. Ever heard of Adu Nadal? He gave financial assistance to the families of terrorists who had tried to kill Israelis by blowing themselves up.

The bottom line for me is - where is the evidence prior to the war that Saddam had no WMDs? There was solid proof that he had and used them but nothing that said that he had changed his ways.

[Matty_boy]

Umm, who killedthe 100,000 civilians in Iraq? Could it be the guys who strap bombs to themselves and blow themeselves up in crowds of people?

[PadreSantiago]

How many civilians do you think were killed just at the beginning by us during the shock and awe part? You know when we were dropping actual bombs on them, not just macguyver style improvised explosives.


Now how about the fact that Bush brings other people like Johnsonville brat CHENEY whose only interest is making the big bucks through haliburton in bazillion dollar defense and rebuilding contracts. OR WHAT about FRIGGIN' TREASON? Yes MR. Johnsonville brat leaked plumes identity....that is treason. Then you've got trent lott man what a hilarious racist that guy is! Or Tom Delay?

How about the fact that bush has turned a record surplus into a record deficit in record time! OR The fact that president bush has borrowed more money from other countries in his terms than EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT COMBINED! That tax cut you were talking about doesn't even apply to you people. Unless you are rich? Are any of you rich by any chance? What about this little thing called KATRINA? Bush sat on his rear playing a guitar and jerking around while an entire city was practically destroyed leaving thousands without much of anything. Bush also vetoed a bill that would allow us to import our prescription drugs from other countries like canada at a much cheaper price. WHY DID HE DO THIS? Because he is controlled by the corporations so we have to pay out the rear. Also there was that time that we were attacked you know, 9-11 that little old thing. Bush sat there like a deer in headlights for 7 minutes...in the nuclear age for christ sakes?!?!??! What if someone had attacked us for real with a nuclear bomb? 7 minutes is a lifetime in the age of "I'll push this little here button and destroy the entire country." Of course there's the wire taps and the patriot act. Oh goody the government can just search any house they want without a warrent of any kind, they just have to use the magic words "Enemy combantent." Whoops! Oh it's ok you didn't need those rights anyway right? The government should be all powerful and all seeing like that book 1984. Then there is the whole torture thing, and the war he lied to us to get into. Both of those things are just like seeds we are planting that are going to grow into a whole new generation of terrorists that hate us even more. I wish this country had some people with heart and character. It seems to me the only thing that religious people do is murder, kill, and maime for their god; which ironically is the same god. Both sides are to blame but from my vantage point we are doing the most killing, and it doesn't matter anyway because didn't you hear? God is dead; we killed him.

[Lounge Daddy]

...and then there are some people more comforable not rocking the boat, not seeing evil for what it is and would have Saddam returned to office...
A dictator who tortured and murdered his own people, and who used WMDs on Iraqis and dumped thier remains in mass graves (270 mass graves uncovered so far... holding the remains of 400,000 people)
and who allowed his sons to torture people and operate rape rooms ... ???

yes these extreme liberals long for the "corruption-free" days of the Clinton years

[PadreSantiago]

God?

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Jan 18 2006, 04:11 AM']God?
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no - its just me, silly

[Lounge Daddy]

CLINTON ADMIN CRIME STATS

- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33

- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

[Lounge Daddy]

Clinton's remarkable record will also show that he is: ,

The first elected president in U.S. history to be impeached -- Dec. 19, 1998.,

The first president to be found guilty of a crime while still in office. (Leaking the private correspondence of Kathleen Willey in violation of the Privacy Act),

The first U.S. president to be publicly accused of forcible rape -- by Juanita Broaddrick, Feb. 24, 1999.,

The first U.S. president to approve the sale of sophisticated weapons technology to a hostile power while its emmisaries contributed to his campaign.,

The first president to be accused by multiple witnesses, including one under oath before a federal grand jury, of using cocaine while he was the chief law enforcement officer of his state.,

The first U.S. president to be accused of sexual assault on White House property -- by Kathleen Willey, March 15, 1998.,

The first U.S. president to order a paramilitary operation where a network television camera crew was punched, kicked, and forced to the ground at gunpoint to prevent them from broadcasting live video coverage. (Elian Gonzalez's abduction -- April 22, 2000),

The first sitting president to be the subject of a sexual harassment lawsuit -- filed by Paula Jones, May 8, 1994.,

The first sitting president to be held in contempt of court for lying under oath and fined by a federal judge (in the Jones lawsuit).,

The first U.S. president to order an armored assault on a church, resulting in the deaths of 55 members of the congregation along with 25 of their children. (Waco -- April 19, ,1993),

The first U.S. presidential candidate to accept financial support from a KGB spy. (Aldrich Ames -- $7,000, 1991, 92),

The first sitting U.S. president to be named in a federal criminal referral as a possible witness to and beneficiary of fraudulant financial activity. (Whitewater),