jezic Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 why do people want the right to murder? It makes no sense.... It is not a right to take what God has given, ever. Under any circumstance wrong. To take it by force is to commit grave evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Didacus' date='Jan 6 2006, 03:29 AM']- a Doctor makes an oath (at least in Canada) to protect life; thus does it become a duty to care for his fellow man? [/quote] Exactly. Even if a patient greatly desires some service from the doctor, he is under no obligation to provide it if it is not a life/death situation. Abortion (in the vast vast majorities of cases) is [i]elective surgery[/i]. Where in the hypocratic oath does it say that doctors are required to provide elective surgery?! Do we wonder if all the impoverished women are receiving the boob jobs they so desperately long for? Patient: "Doctor! Doctor! I [b]must[/b] have my leg removed and attached on my butt. Its current location is preventing me from leading the lifestyle I desperately desire!" Doctor: "What the..?!! Are you nuts?!" Why have we all bought into the idea that abortion is a right, that it's necessary, and be equated with valid heathcare? Edited January 13, 2006 by Cow of Shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebits Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Please be gracious as I struggle for order in my verbalskills..many health professionals are actually subject to abuse and are forced to offer services to patients who feel that it is a right to receive care on demand. As well the posture of looking up to specialists and surgeons as demigods..on demand.belittles those who work as comforters and become somewhat invisible. Although tool and die and mouldmaking is a 7 year apprenticeship as is medical doctors the large distance in payscale is because of this issue these are stressful decisions.perhaps this could be thought as a guide.. in the parable of the prodigal son...I imagine his mother and father agonizing over his desire to set off on his own...still they broke no promise ..nor did they deprive him of what was rightfully his...his inheritance was given as he asked. For those of us who know to seek knowledge get wisdom as the proverbs say....for us if we do not do what we are told is our duty...our paycheques...the r ewards of our labours is with held....so the teetertotter is broken...the balance is destroyed..broken promises fat shepherds getting fat from the sheep...I come to 60 years of age..and wonder why anyone would want anything other than that which is rightfully theirs..does the cherry tree send its saplings to grow to fullness being taught by the fir tree...my answer is..probably not..fir trees don't know much about being cherry trees ..so I sat there in the dust at the side of the road eating dust and tar and wild wheat until it was all the same to me..and the hardest thing was to live until I die...it's not about the money..as they lead us forth in chains ..the serpent deceived me..it's all about the money....so seek knowledge get wisdom...no place to go home to...no place to hide...and no reason to believe..their thefts and their adulteries..what image of God are we.. we must make our own mistakes and..choices..or we are not ...now we have no right to be wrong even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tata126 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 [quote name='sraf' date='Jan 7 2006, 02:02 AM']In the United States, it is recognized that all men are created equal, and are endowed with indisputable rights by the Creator to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Life and Pursuit of Happiness are both covered (to an extent, of course) by medicine. [right][snapback]848575[/snapback][/right] [/quote] See, but that's the thing. Life and the Pursuit of Happiness aren't covered by medicine. We have no God-given right not to die at the time God wants us to (is that syntax confusing? Perhaps I should say, we have no God-given right to live beyond the time God allots us). We do, however, have a God-given right to recieve the wages we work for, harvest the land that we sow, and raise the children that we beget. See the difference? I agree that we all have a moral duty to help one another, but I don't think we have a moral right to demand help. Gifts that we ought to give are not the same thing as rights for someone to claim. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 We have a right to that, we don't have the right to have it all given us or handed to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tata126 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jan 12 2006, 09:25 PM']We have a right to that, we don't have the right to have it all given us or handed to us. [right][snapback]854518[/snapback][/right] [/quote] A right to what?? Zachary, you need to start indicating antecedents for your demonstrative pronouns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 We have a right to all those things in the Declaration of Independence, not a right to have it given to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tata126 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 [quote name='littlebits' date='Jan 12 2006, 07:15 PM']..so I sat there in the dust at the side of the road eating dust and tar and wild wheat until it was all the same to me..and the hardest thing was to live until I die...it's not about the money..as they lead us forth in chains ..the serpent deceived me..it's all about the money....] [/quote] It's been a while, littlebits. How have you been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 Patient can demand help --- no way To that I agree, but that is not the question. The question is help is asked (reasonable), help can be given (by the doctor) but what is being asked conflicts with the doctor's morals. Should the doctor be able to say "No I cannot help you with that because it goes against my beliefs." or is the doctor's morals of no consequence, and should help no matter what. Personally, I believe that the safe keeping of one's soul is more important and takes precedant and thus the morals of the doctor should take precedant over whatever help is asked. So if a doctor does not believe in blood transfusions, he should not be forced to perform them or assist in them if his legitimate morals teach against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebits Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Jan 12 2006, 11:38 PM']It's been a while, littlebits. How have you been? [right][snapback]854672[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I thank you for asking..each day now my ability to accomplish one or two pieces of work is increasing.I still feel like running away my mother's death echoes her words..see....just say.."it takes one to know one".. some days I remember how nice it is when coughing and hacking on the subway and someone offers a cough candy...or when suddenly I startle in the middle of a sidewalk and stand in a stupour wondering where I am and what am I doing..and someone stops and asks.. are you all right..and I remember why I'm there becauseof it. Thanks..how sad it was to read the dictionary and find that commoner and peasant both mean harlot..and all those years of being called..those dirty poor people..and that Wales.means land of the heathen...so according to Websters..I must be a dirty cheap whore from the land of heathen... missing her telling me to shore up with her intonation of melo drama.. Oh CAMILLE.. my dreams are troubled from another culture long ago so I don't know who I am. again thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 I saw my father this weekend (yesterday actually) and I finally got a reply from him. He clearly states that according to law here in Canada a doctor can be taken to court for refusing to prescribe an abortion for a woman. On the other, morality clearly stated that abortions should not be endorsed. when I asked him which whould be followed he clearly and bluntly said; morality. comes first. My sister was there... but of course she stayed silent. I think she is pro-abort but does not want to openly say so to certain family memebers who are pro-life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted February 17, 2006 Share Posted February 17, 2006 [url="http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.19010/article_detail.asp"]Article on this topic by a Catholic law professor[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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