Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 ever been? I want to go to one. do they kneel during the consecration? any one have any thing i should know before i go? Sam
brendan1104 Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 6 2006, 09:27 PM']ever been? I want to go to one. do they kneel during the consecration? any one have any thing i should know before i go? Sam [right][snapback]848382[/snapback][/right] [/quote] don't go to any orthodox churches- they're in schism. the eastern rites dont kneel at all. they tend to be very long. dress up. be prepared for lots of incense! :
rkwright Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 (edited) I kinda posted this somewhere else, but I'll post again. I attended a Greek Orthodox Liturgy, which I bet would be very similar to an Eastern Rite Catholic Liturgy. My thoughts... - They did kneel during the consecration, in fact if I remember right most the movements where very similar to ours - During the most of the Liturgy, though I don't think during the consecration, the laity and a cantor are chanting. I had mixed reactions to this, it was very pretty, but I almost felt like the laity and priest were doing two different things. It almost was distracting to what was going on at the altar... - Communion under both speices, with a spoon, the laity kneeled when recieving - The chapel was incredible as far as the icons something I really liked... Overall the Liturgy was pretty similar and not that hard to follow. Edit- On the length, it was longer, but I think this was due in part to 2 sermons (one for the kids and one after the Liturgy for the adults) and communion took a lot longer Edited January 7, 2006 by rkwright
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 6 2006, 07:27 PM']ever been? I want to go to one. do they kneel during the consecration? any one have any thing i should know before i go? Sam [right][snapback]848382[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I've been many times. I've actually served Divine Liturgy as a subdeacon in an Eastern Rite Church and the experience almost pushed me over the edge (to becoming Eastern I mean). Oh, and brendan is partly correct, if the parish is traditional they will stand during the consecration, if they are really traditional they will stand for the whole Liturgy (no pews), but they may be latinized and have kneelers for the consecration. Many eastern churches in this part of the world are latinized to some degree.
brendan1104 Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jan 6 2006, 10:52 PM']I've been many times. I've actually served Divine Liturgy as a subdeacon in an Eastern Rite Church and the experience almost pushed me over the edge (to becoming Eastern I mean). Oh, and brendan is partly correct, if the parish is traditional they will stand during the consecration, if they are really traditional they will stand for the whole Liturgy (no pews), but they may be latinized and have kneelers for the consecration. Many eastern churches in this part of the world are latinized to some degree. [right][snapback]848418[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i've been a subdeacon at an eastern and tridentine rite... apparently any catholic man can do that, even without ordination.
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='brendan1104' date='Jan 6 2006, 08:54 PM']i've been a subdeacon at an eastern and tridentine rite... apparently any catholic man can do that, even without ordination. [right][snapback]848419[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I hope so, otherwise we're naughty.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 7, 2006 Author Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='brendan1104' date='Jan 6 2006, 09:16 PM']don't go to any orthodox churches- they're in schism. the eastern rites dont kneel at all. they tend to be very long. dress up. be prepared for lots of incense! : [right][snapback]848383[/snapback][/right] [/quote] lol why of all people would i go to an orthodox liturgy?
brendan1104 Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 6 2006, 11:11 PM']lol why of all people would i go to an orthodox liturgy? [right][snapback]848434[/snapback][/right] [/quote] it's a different experience. you can go as an obsever.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 7, 2006 Author Posted January 7, 2006 from what i understand is that Catholics should not praticipate or observe non-Catholic public worship.
qfnol31 Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 I don't think observing is wrong. Participating to a degree isn't either, especially with the Orthodox. Actually, they're the reason we do nothing with their Liturgies, they've asked us not to get too involved, but will give us blessed bread.
Philosopher Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 Ooh I love the eastern liturgies! The Romanian Byzantine Cathedral is 20 minutes from my house. I have had the honor of attending many times, it is wonderful. (Yes they do kneel during the consecration.) My brother in law is currently about to enter the Deaconate and then hopefully the Priesthood with them. I, like him, have been very tempted to apply to seminary with them but alas I could not escape the calling to the Latin Rite. (The reason I had the free choice was due to some loophole that technically made me a member of both rites, yeah its wierd hehe)
Pio Nono Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 JMJ 1/7 - St. Raymond of Pegnafort Vatican II calls us to pray (even publicly) with our separated sister churches, though we cannot receive communion in each others' Liturgies. On the Solemnity of Sts. Peter and Paul, the Patriarch of Constantinople joins the Pope in Rome for Mass (he doesn't concelebrate). In the past, the Pope has also gone to Constantinople for the Feast of St. Andrew. The Eastern Liturgies are very nice, though it is sad how much many of them have been Romanized in America. There's a Byzantine parish on the south side of Chicago (I think it's Homer Glen, IL) and, though there are a few pews in the church, most people stand during the whole Liturgy. So awesome. Here's the link... [url="http://www.byzantinecatholic.com/"]Annunciation Byzantine Catholic Church[/url] Edit: BTW, the parish was built a few years ago, and the founding pastor wrote all of the icons in the church himself. They're STUNNING. If you live in the Chicagoland area, GO!
Pio Nono Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 JMJ 1/7 - St. Raymond of Pegnafort The sanctuary of the church I was talking about... [img]http://www.byzantinecatholic.com/photos/PhotoAlbum3/images/Byz17.jpg[/img]
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 7, 2006 Author Posted January 7, 2006 I would not feel comfortable public praying or praticipating in schismatic worship, but i would observe it.
qfnol31 Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 7 2006, 09:38 AM']I would not feel comfortable public praying or praticipating in schismatic worship, but i would observe it. [right][snapback]848643[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I can understand this, but they actually use ancient prayers written before the schism in the East.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 7, 2006 Author Posted January 7, 2006 (edited) they are still in schism. they do not pray for the Pope in the mass. Edited January 7, 2006 by Extra ecclesiam nulla salus
brendan1104 Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 7 2006, 11:47 AM']they are still in schism. they do not pray for the Pope in the mass. [right][snapback]848683[/snapback][/right] [/quote] you can still non-actively observe- like you would if you went to a protestant church for a relative's funeral, etc. i love going to the divine liturgy and great vespers at the orthodox which are 3 minutes away from me= beautiful!
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 7, 2006 Author Posted January 7, 2006 ive observed worship in a mosque once.
qfnol31 Posted January 7, 2006 Posted January 7, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 7 2006, 09:38 AM']I would not feel comfortable public praying or praticipating in schismatic worship, but i would observe it. [right][snapback]848643[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I can understand this, but they actually use ancient prayers written before the schism in the East.
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