2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jan 15 2006, 04:34 PM']2tim215, I would be happy to discuss with you any one of the different arguments you bring up, if you are willing to stick to the subject with me. Would you like to discuss the Pope or the question of calling no man "Father"? [right][snapback]856909[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Jeff IF you READ "The" Holy Bible, You will find this: Lk.16:31; Mt. 23:9. And the words are from the Mouth of The Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Why don't you heed Him? Mt. 23:12 Who do you know that exalts himself as the Vicar of Christ, and God on earth?
2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jan 17 2006, 07:32 AM']Aww, its ok, we love you : Don't think for a second we're going to hold him against you : [right][snapback]858540[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Woman you don't READ your Bible either do you?
Jaime Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 You accuse others of not reading when you blatantly ignore parts yourself.
2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jan 17 2006, 08:56 AM']You accuse others of not reading when you blatantly ignore parts yourself. [right][snapback]858563[/snapback][/right] [/quote] EXACTLY which parts have I ignored?
Myles Domini Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 Oddly enough I'm actually surprised this is still going on. More the fool me... [quote]With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah that says: “You will indeed listen, but never understand, and you will indeed look, but never perceive. For this people’s heart has grown dull, and their ears are hard of hearing, and they have shut their eyes; so that they might not look with their eyes, and listen with their ears, and understand with their heart and turn— and I would heal them.” [b]Matthew 13:14-15[/b][/quote]
2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Jan 16 2006, 10:34 AM']Well, no Library in my city has the book. So I am not going to go and get it. However I do not think there is a need based on the lack of clarity and charity from our guest. [right][snapback]857557[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Mars Hill Bookstore, 698 Cox Creek Parkway, Florence Alabama, 35630 Ph3 1-800-321-4587 $32.60
2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Jan 16 2006, 10:34 AM']Well, no Library in my city has the book. So I am not going to go and get it. However I do not think there is a need based on the lack of clarity and charity from our guest. [right][snapback]857557[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Mars Hill Bookstore, 698 Cox Creek Parkway, Florence Alabama, 35630 Ph# 1-800-321-4587 $32.60
2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 16 2006, 10:53 AM']Yes, we gathered as much. Unfortunately you are so afraid of the truth the Bible speaks (compared to your own private interpretation) that you are totally unwilling to discuss, calmly and intelligantly the Christian faith. And you are quite unaware of the history of your own Church. I converted to Catholicism from the Baptist Church. You come from a Protestant background. Your founder (unlike our founder, Jesus Christ) is Ulrich Zwingli a Protestant Reformer. You should know the history of your own sect. I'm sorry you feel the need to lie about what Catholics believe. That doesn't say much at all for your position. You can't even address the questions and claims we bring up. We are Catholics after all, we know what we believe. but go on your merry way. You aren't going to effect anyone here. We will just shake our head that here has come and gone another anti-Catholic zealot completely incapable of having a conversation and discussing the beliefs that we each hold to. Just becuase you study one faith doesn't mean you are going to convert to it. You can study Mormonism without becoming Mormon. In fact, you can even read what Mormons believe from the mormon sect and ask them questions. You can do all that, remain intellectually honest, and not become Mormon. But you can't do that with Catholicism can you? Becuase you are afraid of finding out that the Bible doesn't say what you try to force it to say. You are afraid of the truth? Perhaps I'm being too harsh, but I'm offering you a challenge to better yourself, be intellectually honest, and grow as a person, Catholic or not. [right][snapback]857593[/snapback][/right] [/quote] VERY convenient Religion isn't it? You can live like the Devil and just ask a MAN to for give you and give him money! Alls well there is no HELL!
Jaime Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='2tim215' date='Jan 17 2006, 08:59 AM']EXACTLY which parts have I ignored? [right][snapback]858565[/snapback][/right] [/quote] From the King James [quote]18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [/quote]
desertwoman Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='2tim215' date='Jan 17 2006, 07:51 AM']Woman you don't READ your Bible either do you? [right][snapback]858561[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I do more than just read the Bible. I do my best to live like Jesus, and I try to do this everyday. If you read it too, you would know about the nine fruits of the spirit and bestow and show that through and through regardless of what conduit you use, may it be internet or in person. So to answer your question once more, yes I do read my Bible. But I also try to live the way Yeshua tells us to live.
2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Jan 15 2006, 08:35 AM']The best response to these two works of falsity and fallacy is "Catholicism and Fundamentalism" by Karl Keeting. They are so rediculous even protestant academics shun them. Edit L_D otherwise gave a great answer to the question on another board. [right][snapback]856543[/snapback][/right] [/quote] How do you know the're false? Have you READ them? No body on this board has, but you keep calling them false!
Myles Domini Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='desertwoman' date='Jan 17 2006, 02:08 PM'] I do more than just read the Bible. I do my best to live like Jesus, and I try to do this everyday. If you read it too, you would know about the nine fruits of the spirit and bestow and show that through and through regardless of what conduit you use, may it be internet or in person. So to answer your question once more, yes I do read my Bible. But I also try to live the way Yeshua tells us to live. [right][snapback]858577[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Why are you humouring him? Its obvious that this individual has not learnt the presence of God for nobody who hates his brother can claim to have the love of God in Him as St John the beloved teaches in Sacred Scripture. If he came to proselytise because he feared for our salvation that would be different but it was more than obvious to me from the start that his intention was only to satisfy his ego. He would travel land and sea to make a single convert (Mt 23:15)... My advice dear lady is to keep reading your Bible and putting into practice its teachings such as: [quote]Do not give what is holy to dogs; and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under foot and turn and maul you. [b]Matthew 7:6[/b][/quote]
Brother Adam Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 (edited) [quote name='2tim215' date='Jan 17 2006, 09:08 AM']VERY convenient Religion isn't it? You can live like the Devil and just ask a MAN to for give you and give him money! Alls well there is no HELL! [right][snapback]858575[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Again, you don't know anything about Catholicism. You don't have a clue. You don't understand it in the least. And that isn't an exageration. It is an under estimate if anything. You've got everything so turned around in your own head I wonder if you even are a Christian to begin with. You're pitiful son. Do you go to Muslim websites and scream at them and claim that they believe in the Mosaic law? That's how bad your screwing up the Way, the Catholic faith. It really is too bad that you aren't here to dialogue and learn the love of God, but rather spread hate. It really is sad. I'd love to dialogue with you, as would most people here, but unfortunately you aren't hear to learn or to share. You seem to be here only to hate. It is the opposite of what God is calling you to. It seems as if you think you have a dollars worth of knowledge, yet you are only carrying around a penny, if even that. Should I even bother correcting your errors? Perhaps, but not for you since you are not interested in listening, but instead for others who have hearts that love God and neighbor. Catholicism is anything but easy or convenient. It is a difficult faith. Christ has called us to pick up our crosses and follow Him. The Way, the Christian faith is one of growing in holiness. We do sin and fall at times, we are human, but on this path to holiness God has given us a means to approach him by confessing our sin to God with a fellow Christian companion to hear, give solice and advice, and offer absolution. And priests do not take payment in a confessional. That is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. Sacraments are available to anyone at no financial cost. Catholics, like non-Catholics offer almsgiving in a regular Sunday collection. And Catholics affirm the reality of hell. Even your anti-Catholic fore-fathers affirm that much. Edited January 17, 2006 by Brother Adam
2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Paphnutius' date='Jan 15 2006, 06:27 PM']I prefer to work out my salvation with fear and trembling Phil 2:12-13 OUT OF CONTEXT! [right][snapback]857007[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Salvation is a gift.(FREE) Christ Jesus did the Work! All we have to do is accept it! Mt. 11:13; 22:36-40; Jn.5:39-47; 8:32,41,43-45,47,51,55; John 1:17 Rom. 10:4-10 Grace and Faith THROUGH Jesus Christ, NO works!
Theoketos Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='2tim215' date='Jan 17 2006, 08:11 AM']How do you know the're false? Have you READ them? No body on this board has, but you keep calling them false! [right][snapback]858582[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You are right, I have not read them. I should not have said they were full of falacies with out reading them or letting you explain your position. I was wrong to so quickly act. Please forgive me. However. If the books claims what you have claimed, espcially in the same uncharitable tone, then it is full of falsity and fallacy. The best example of this would be the name calling of the Pope. That was really unchristian. Just out of curiosity, which translation of the King James Verision is the best? Did you know the original King James version had the books of Tobit, Judith, Maccabees, etc.. in it?
Theoketos Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='2tim215' date='Jan 17 2006, 08:45 AM']Salvation is a gift.(FREE) Christ Jesus did the Work! All we have to do is accept it! Mt. 11:13; 22:36-40; Jn.5:39-47; 8:32,41,43-45,47,51,55; John 1:17 Rom. 10:4-10 Grace and Faith THROUGH Jesus Christ, NO works! [right][snapback]858617[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Amen Do not forget though that "So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead." James 2:17
rkwright Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='2tim215' date='Jan 17 2006, 09:11 AM']How do you know the're false? Have you READ them? No body on this board has, but you keep calling them false! [right][snapback]858582[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Tim you have COMPLETELY ignored L_D's posts. He has read some of your books and showed how much fiction they are... He has also posted a big article and your best response is 'its out of context'
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='2tim215' date='Jan 17 2006, 08:11 AM']How do you know the're false? Have you READ them? No body on this board has, but you keep calling them false! [right][snapback]858582[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I've quoted from both "[i]Catholicism Against Itself[/i]" and Foxe's "[i]Book of Martyrs[/i]" and highlighted some of the ignorance and radical misinformation contained in these books (which is typical to this class of literature). And besides the fact that there are plenty of Catholic converts who once put faith in this type of anti-Catholic literature, a great many Protestants will admit that this sort of propaganda is embarassing and nonsensical. And I have (for whatever reason) read some of the literature you mentioned so your statement is already false. But the real question is whether you have read any authentic Catholic literature? Is everything you know about Catholicism based on these dishonest propaganda tracts? If the only "proof" you have of your anti-Catholic view is a list of obscure hate literature, I'd say you have no chance of converting people here to your perspective. God bless.
2tim215 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 17 2006, 09:41 AM']Again, you don't know anything about Catholicism. You don't have a clue. You don't understand it in the least. And that isn't an exageration. It is an under estimate if anything. You've got everything so turned around in your own head I wonder if you even are a Christian to begin with. You're pitiful son. Do you go to Muslim websites and scream at them and claim that they believe in the Mosaic law? That's how bad your screwing up the Way, the Catholic faith. It really is too bad that you aren't here to dialogue and learn the love of God, but rather spread hate. It really is sad. I'd love to dialogue with you, as would most people here, but unfortunately you aren't hear to learn or to share. You seem to be here only to hate. It is the opposite of what God is calling you to. It seems as if you think you have a dollars worth of knowledge, yet you are only carrying around a penny, if even that. Should I even bother correcting your errors? Perhaps, but not for you since you are not interested in listening, but instead for others who have hearts that love God and neighbor. Catholicism is anything but easy or convenient. It is a difficult faith. Christ has called us to pick up our crosses and follow Him. The Way, the Christian faith is one of growing in holiness. We do sin and fall at times, we are human, but on this path to holiness God has given us a means to approach him by confessing our sin to God with a fellow Christian companion to hear, give solice and advice, and offer absolution. And priests do not take payment in a confessional. That is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. Sacraments are available to anyone at no financial cost. Catholics, like non-Catholics offer almsgiving in a regular Sunday collection. And Catholics affirm the reality of hell. Even your anti-Catholic fore-fathers affirm that much. [right][snapback]858614[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What about indulgences, Purgatory? The lisst is endless! Get the book and READ It!
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='2tim215' date='Jan 17 2006, 09:12 AM']What about indulgences, Purgatory? The lisst is endless! Get the book and READ It! [right][snapback]858631[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Adam read Loraine Boettner's book so I doubt he's entirely ignorant of the anti-Catholic perspective.
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