Marieteresa Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Again thanks for including the list....Yep the only 2 listed that are close by are 1 to 2 hours away. Besides I like the fact that my parish is run by Francisican monks. In JMJ
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Ive never met a franciscan before. I heard they are cool. Are they cool? I encourage you to try and attend one at least once, especially before you enter a convent that does not allow it. God Bless, Sam
Marieteresa Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 (edited) I love my Francisican Friars...They are really great, personally most of the time I have gone to parishes that are run by religious S.J and now Francisican. Yeah, they are pretty cool and have very beneficial to my spiritual life one of the priests does SD for more than 10 people. Now the think about the Latin mass, I supposedly heard that they actually do it at my Carmel once a month I don't know how to check if thats true. Can you find out for me? it the Discalced Carmelite Monastery in Ada (Parnell) Michigan Edited January 15, 2006 by Marieteresa
Resurrexi Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 [quote name='shortnun' date='Jan 15 2006, 01:52 PM']Hi and welcome!!! If you feel comfortable, perhaps you'd like to share some of the highlights about your vocation journey thus far. You indicate you "really want a wife," but also seem interested in the priesthood. God bless and many prayers for you. And again, [right][snapback]856774[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I really havent had much of a "vocational calling". I'm 12. But I will either be married or be a priest (probably married)
brendan1104 Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Jan 15 2006, 04:44 PM']I really havent had much of a "vocational calling". I'm 12. But I will either be married or be a priest (probably married) [right][snapback]856845[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I know SSPX priests very well! They are truly holy priests, I recommend them highly, if you really want to be a traditional priest with a great formation go to the Society. "You may fulfill your obligation anywhere where the Roman Rite is celebrated."- Cardinal Oddi. So this means attendance at SSPX and Independent chapels will fulfill your obligation.
Myles Domini Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 (edited) I would not encourage anyone going to the liturgy of a schismatic group. It encourages a dissident spirit. If you feel like going to the FSSP on the other hand more power to you. One of my friends' parishes is run by a FSSP priest and he and his family, trads that they are, prefer to go to the High Tridentine Mass. The FSSP are great people with a praiseworthy mission within the Church and I greatly value the 'spirituality' section of [url="http://www.fssp.org/"]http://www.fssp.org/[/url] since it shows you how one can be both in the bosom of the (so called)post-conciliar Church whilst maintaing a strong sense of traditionalism. I'm not a Tridentinist myself but I have nothing but respect for the FSSP. I've never known one who didnt seem deeply committed to his priestly vocation. Edited January 15, 2006 by Myles
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Rome says we can go to sspx so I will go.
Dave Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 15 2006, 05:06 PM']Rome says we can go to sspx so I will go. [right][snapback]856934[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No it does not either. Rome says for us to avoid the SSPX. And contrary to what has already been said in this thread, an SSPX Mass or an independent Mass CANNOT fulfill one's Sunday obligation UNLESS -- and only unless -- it's a case of grave necessity. And the Church decides what would constitute grave necessity, not us. To StThomasMore (or whatever your user name is) -- Stay away from the SSPX! They're in schism, and thus joining them would endanger one's soul. And of course, they lack faculties to hear confessions and perform marriages.
rkwright Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 15 2006, 05:06 PM']Rome says we can go to sspx so I will go. [right][snapback]856934[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I agree Dave From Ecclesia Dei [quote]c) In the present circumstances I wish especially to make an appeal both solemn and heartfelt, paternal and fraternal, to all those who until now have been linked in various ways to the movement of Archbishop Lefebvre, that they may fulfil the grave duty of remaining united to the Vicar of Christ in the unity of the Catholic Church, and of ceasing their support in any way for that movement. Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism is a grave offence against God and carries the penalty of excommunication decreed by the Church's law.(8)[/quote] To Marieteresa - Don't be so worried about attending a latin mass to the point of attending a mass where illict priests are celebrating. If you have the oppertunity to go to a proper indult mass then go, otherwise, contary to what EENS, More, and breden are telling you, Do not go to an SSPX mass especially when there are valid N.O. and indult masses.
Resurrexi Posted January 16, 2006 Author Posted January 16, 2006 the SSPX isnt in schism! and really, why would it be? It's just another order like the Carmelites, Franciscans, Domonicans, the FSSP, or the Institute of Christ the King!
Dave Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Jan 15 2006, 06:40 PM']the SSPX isnt in schism! and really, why would it be? It's just another order like the Carmelites, Franciscans, Domonicans, the FSSP, or the Institute of Christ the King! [right][snapback]857025[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Of course it's in schism! Pope John Paul II said so himself! Sure, the SSPX claims otherwise, but isn't it just like those who are in schism to claim that they're not in schism but that the rest of the Church is?
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Jan 15 2006, 06:40 PM']the SSPX isnt in schism! and really, why would it be? It's just another order like the Carmelites, Franciscans, Domonicans, the FSSP, or the Institute of Christ the King! [right][snapback]857025[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Tyler do not debate these people. I really don't think it is a good idea to do.
Dave Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 15 2006, 06:47 PM']Tyler do not debate these people. I really don't think it is a good idea to do. [right][snapback]857037[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I can't help it; I have to ask -- what happened, Sam? You'd made great progress, and now you're once again defending the SSPX.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 Dave i don't even know if I am Catholic anymore. I am sick of all the confusion, and all the lies.
philothea Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Jan 15 2006, 05:40 PM']the SSPX isnt in schism! and really, why would it be? It's just another order like the Carmelites, Franciscans, Domonicans, the FSSP, or the Institute of Christ the King! [right][snapback]857025[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_02071988_ecclesia-dei_en.html"]Here is the link[/url] to the letter that rkwright posted, [i]Ecclesia Dei[/i] regarding the schismatic status of the SSPX. You'll note that this is from the Vatican.
brendan1104 Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='philothea' date='Jan 15 2006, 08:44 PM'][url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_02071988_ecclesia-dei_en.html"]Here is the link[/url] to the letter that rkwright posted, [i]Ecclesia Dei[/i] regarding the schismatic status of the SSPX. You'll note that this is from the Vatican. [right][snapback]857096[/snapback][/right] [/quote] sam, you are catholic. never deny the faith- outside of the church there is no salvation.
Era Might Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 The Society of St. Pius X is not a Catholic order, but a schismatic society of Priests founded by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who died excommunicated. The society has not restored communion with the Catholic Church, and it does not operate under any local Ordinary. It is not a society that Catholics may join. The FSSP, on the other hand, is a fine society of Priests, in communion with the Bishop of Rome and the local Bishop.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 [quote name='brendan1104' date='Jan 15 2006, 08:33 PM']sam, you are catholic. never deny the faith- outside of the church there is no salvation. [right][snapback]857134[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i don't really know what to believe anymore.
homeschoolmom Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 I'm going to close this thread. I don't think it's going anywhere contructive.
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