THE NEW HUMANITY

[Solve et Coagula]

"In our Brotherhood, we live the great Christian festivals of Christmas and Easter as simply as we live the other days: we pray, meditate and sing. And even if we give special thought to the birth, death or resurrection of Christ, we do nothing exceptional. If this leaves some people dissatisfied, they are free to go and celebrate these festivals in their churches or their temples. Everyone must decide what form to give to his religious feelings, and he must allow others to do the same. The fact that they have different beliefs and rituals must never be a reason for people to attack each other. It is unwise to destroy the lives of others in the name of such and such a religious founder. Rather than provoking endless disorder and strife, people must embrace one another, help one another and fraternize with one another. In doing so they will demonstrate that they are followers of the one true religion, the universal religion of light and love, whose model is the sun. "

Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov

[Lil Red]

please, i ask you, what is the point of this? do you have something you would like to discuss? i welcome you to phatmass, but engage us in conversation, not just dump stuff on us.

[Solve et Coagula]

Dear Lil Red

before we can start discussing, we need to know the viewing points of eachother... and then we have plenty of time to discuss the issues...

best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger

[Solve et Coagula]

« It is when one has no more love that laws and rules are needed; and even at this moment, laws and rules do not serve in much. As long as there is no love, there will be religions which will never be able to bring the human beings towards God. But when love will come, there will be no more religion. Religion will become internal and will show itself under shape of kindness, brilliance, sacrifice, sweetness and light. It is when love left the humanity that religion has come to compensate for it. But when love will come, religion will fade because it will have entered again the heart of the man. »

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov

[dustthouart]

Where is this love supposed to come from?

[Lil Red]

attention to phatmassers: this Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov has ties to the Great White Brotherhood, which distorts Christian/Catholic teachings. from wikipedia:

[quote]The Great White Brotherhood is the name given in metaphysical/occult circles to those adepts of wisdom who have finished their earthly pilgrimages (the cycles of reincarnation and karma) and, while ascending to a higher state of existence as masters of space, time and material existence, have assumed responsibility for the cosmic destiny of the human race, both individually and collectively. Most occult groups assign a high level of importance to the Brotherhood, but some make interaction with the Ascended Masters of the Brotherhood a major focus of their existence. Of these several, two stand out as most prominent: the "I Am" Activity, the original Ascended Masters group founded in the 1930s, and the Church Universal and Triumphant, founded in the 1960s. The two organizations, though frequently confused in the public media, were never connected and vary widely in their teachings.[/quote]

[Socrates]

[quote name='dustthouart' date='Jan 18 2006, 06:30 PM']Where is this love supposed to come from?
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The Aliens in the UFOs!

[Solve et Coagula]

Dear dustthouart and Socrates

Dont you know that God is love?

best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger

[dustthouart]

I do know that God is love. But what is the mechanism that you propose God is using to beam that love down to us and bring us to this status of no religion?

[Solve et Coagula]

God is using to beam that christed love THROUGH us and bring us to this status of no religion or Kingdom of God and His Righteousness... it will be goddess...

best wishes from Switzerland

lwwb
Roger

[dustthouart]

How do you know this? What is your authority, or evidence, or reasoning?

[Solve et Coagula]

The Second Advent of Christ
 
"The Living Christ is manifestation of God, manifestation of Love. There neither in the outer Cosmos, not in the inner mystic depth of the soul, a more comprehensive manifestation of Love, than the one that we personify in Christ. Christ with his coming to the earth wanted to visualize the Divine Love. He could not express it in word. Not only before Christ, but after Christ as well there was no person having greater Love than His. This is what Christ wanted – to express the Divine Love and to bring it to the earth. Christ imported Love into the world. Christ came to the Earth in order to bring Love. He is Love. 
 
By saying Christ, I understand a Being, which has overwhelming Love to humankind and wants to transfer to humanity what valuable the Being has in its Self. This is the purpose of Christ. 

As the energy of the Sun does not reach us directly, but passes through the etheric space, similarly Divine Love reaches people through Christ, Who appears to be a herald of Love. Christ can be partly likened to the beautiful and luminous image of the Sun.
 
He is the Great inspirator of all the revelations during all times! He is the invisible driving force of the entire spiritual Life of humankind. He endured profanations, blows, the cross, the nails, the spears. With the flame of Love he melted the arms of violence. And His attempt turned out a success. During His coming two thousand years ago Christ showed to us only the one side of His image. We see Christ in humiliation and grief, in suffering and trials. We see Him as a hero of redemption. People do not know yet Christ in His glory, in His Divine power and might. Mighty and powerful is Christ now.
 
In the past Christ’s hand was pierced with nails, but today nobody can pierce this hand with nails – they will instantly melt.
 
In the past Christ was crucified, but today there is no tree big enough where He can be crucified. Christ cannot be crucified once again.
 
This Christ is coming now to visit human minds and hearts. He will destroy all the prisons; will obliterate all the false teachings – all which destroys the human mind and heart, which instils confusion and lack of principles, which cripples human Life. Christ will visit every person. He is the Living Christ, Who imparts Life, Light and Freedom for all souls, Who inspires and generates Love to everything. When we say that Christ is coming now, some think that He will come from the outside. Christ won’t come from the outside. He will not appear either in human or in any other form whatsoever. When the rays of the Sun enter your home, does this mean that Sun has visited you? Remember that Christ is a manifestation of the Love of God. And He will come as an internal Light in the minds and hearts of the people. This Light will attract everybody around Christ as a great Centre. The opening of the human minds and hearts and the receiption of Christ from within - this will be the Second Advent of Christ on earth. He will preach above all the great science of Love and the methods how to apply it. He will preach the path of pupilship, brotherhood and service. Because this is what the law of evolution requires nowadays.
 
Prepare to meet Christ! Prepare so that everybody in one’s time can meet Christ. Put on your new clothes. For some Christ will come even today, for others – tomorrow, still for others – in years. You will see Him when you are prepared. Receive Christ in your hearts as a friend, and in your mind – as Teacher. Christ is now working.

The urge will gradually penetrate into human beings and will take over guidance during the further development of the humankind. We are now still in the beginning of all this.
 
In the future Christianity – and not the external, official Christianity, but the mystic esoteric Christianity – will become a world religion for the whole humankind. Christ will be placed in the centre of the New culture."
 
"Love as a great principle should be manifested in the human soul and only then can become one with Christ. One thing is required from all the people – to get in touch with Christ. Once you unite with Him, he will be with you till the end of times. He is a door leading human beings from the transient to the intransient, from the visible to the invisible, from hatred to Love. When you experience His Love, your earthly life will gain meaning. Your mind will enlighten, you will perceive the Light of the New life and will begin to understand. Only under such circumstances will you get to know the relation existing between Love and Life, between Wisdom and Light and between the Truth and Freedom. Until we, human beings, become one with Christ, i.e. until your thoughts, feelings and deeds become One with Him. The world will not be set right.
 
I am talking to you about the Living Christ, about that Christ, Who bears in His Self Life, Who nears the living Knowledge and Light, Who bears the Truth and Freedom. About that Christ, Who brings all the methods how to construct Intelligent Life. He is the Great Christ, Whois called the Head of the Great Universal Brotherhood. This Christ must be known by people today. It is Him, whom they have to see – to see Him and to know Him. Because many want to persuade us that without seeing Christ and without knowing Him internally, we can be true Christians. However, I argue that if one cannot see Christ, nothing can come out of such a person. If you are in harmony with Christ, your consciousness will wake up, you will see Him. Christ is coming to the world with His Intelligence and Love. Christ is already coming to the Earth to bring Divine Love for all the people. He will teach people to self-sacrifice and to Love. He brings Love, Wisdom, Knowledge, Freedom! The Light of Christ penetrates everywhere!"
 
Lecture by Peter Deunov "Beinsa Douno"
(Peter Deunov was the Master of Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov in Bulgaria)

[url="http://www.beinsadouno.org "]http://www.beinsadouno.org [/url]

[stef22]

Google'd this stuff for ya guys.

The guy hes quoting. [url="http://www.prosveta.ch/oma_bio3_gb.html"]Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov[/url]
The group this guy was a part of. [url="http://www.videlinata.ch/fbu3_gb_pres.html"]Universal White Brotherhood[/url]

I'd be interested to see of what faith, Solve et Coagula is?
As his name is taken from alchemy.
'Solve' meaning the breaking down of elements, and coagula meaning them coming together after breaking down.
Solve et Coagula is translated to english as simply: " Solution and Coagulation".

Yah, your either a member of an occult or you listen to Mudvayne.


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Edited January 19, 2006 by stef22

[dustthouart]

[quote]When we say that Christ is coming now, some think that He will come from the outside. Christ won’t come from the outside. He will not appear either in human or in any other form whatsoever. [/quote]
This is untrue. Christ still possesses his resurrected body, and when he returns, he will still have it.
[quote]This Light will attract everybody around Christ as a great Centre.[/quote]
Then why did Christ predict that the world would reject him? Why did it reject him when he came the first time?

I would really like to read YOUR words about this. Stop quoting people, please.

Let me ask you a question: are you willing to accept the possibility that there is only one truth, which is true for everyone?

[Theoketos]

[quote name='stef22' date='Jan 18 2006, 07:16 PM']Google'd this stuff for ya guys.

The guy hes quoting. [url="http://www.prosveta.ch/oma_bio3_gb.html"]Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov[/url]
The group this guy was a part of. [url="http://www.videlinata.ch/fbu3_gb_pres.html"]Universal White Brotherhood[/url]

I'd be interested to see of what faith, Solve et Coagula is?
As his name is taken from alchemy.
'Solve' meaning the breaking down of elements, and coagula meaning them coming together after breaking down.
Solve et Coagula is translated to english as simply: " Solution and Coagulation".

Yah, your either a member of an occult or you listen to Mudvayne.


[i]edit: looks like you've been trolling the[/i] [url="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=St.Gallen%2C+Switzerland+and+White+Brotherhood&btnG=Search&meta="]internet.[/url]
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That was good work stef!

Christ loves His Church, giving Himself up for Her, even dying on the Cross for Her. I stay with what Christ died for thank you.

Edit to add that:

In Heaven when we worship God, the Church will do so in a liturgical manner (probably without guitars *cough Cam and Jamie cough*).

Edited January 19, 2006 by Theoketos

[Paphnutius]

When there is love no rules are needed?

Last time I checked there was no sin before the Fall yet God still made the rule of not eating from the tree. Man did not know sin and yet there were still rules...

[peacenluvbaby]

"All you need is love"

The Beatles knew....

[Myles Domini]

I heard Fr John Corapi say the other day that when you know what you've got in the Church you wouldn't leave and boy isnt it true. Our friends sentiments are on the right track but its because He doesnt understand true religion.

Lets look at Our Lord. God who proclaims that He is He who is. Do you understand whats being said therein? Have you dwelt on Exodus 3:14. Have you let yourself ruminate upon it, absorb it, be lost in it, lost in the fact that God by definition is 'to be'. In Himself He is, needing nothing, encompassing more than [i]is[/i]. Whatever similarities we share are so far dissimilar to what He truly is as to negate that similarity. He is utterly transcendent and yet....

...God creates.

Now chew on this. God who is complete beyond our concept of completion beyond our comprehension of the concept of completion in our created essence, that God, He creates. Why? Why does the Lord make when He has all that He needs in Himself. Unlike us who are driven by psychology and biology the unconstrained, unrestrained, utterly transcendent and perfect God decides to make something outside of His own utter unity. Why? The New Testament makes it clear in statements such as this:

[quote]Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her [b]Ephesians 5:25[/b][/quote]

In our own time it has been common to query whether there can be such a thing as an unselfish act. The post Freudian world has become very cyncical about the idea that good acts can be truly unselfish in that it is percieved that good actions make the actor feel good about themselves. But in God, the one who says 'my thoughts are not your thoughts and my ways are not your ways' (Isa 55), we see the exact opposite.

God being perfect and complete in Himself and it being of no benefit to Him to go beyond Himself in anything creates man so that He can share His very nature with man, so that within the depth of man's heart He can know God. So that man can become a partaker in the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4) and children of God by God being within us (Jn 14:20).

Moreover, when man who was lifted up from the dust to be in fellowship with God broke His fellowship with God did He abandon man? Would it have cost anything to God to abandon man? Man is made for God and His heart seeks out the infinite love of God leaving him restless and needing an eternal amount of worldly pleasure to compensate. Yet God needs no compensation, needs nothing beyond Himself? But did He abandon man? When man who by His finite nature cannot repay the infinite penalty of sinning against the infinite God broke His relationship did God what was God's response..?

[quote]Christ Jesus,
who, though he was in the form of God,
   did not regard equality with God
   as something to be exploited,
but emptied himself,
   taking the form of a slave,
   being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
   he humbled himself
   and became obedient to the point of death—
   even death on a cross.
[b]Philipians 2:6-8[/b][/quote]

That was God's response. To come from infinity, to commit a perfect act of selflessness, condescending from His transcendence to take on the nature of a broken fragile creature and restore to Him the dignity for which He was created for:

[quote] ‘For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.  [b]John 3:16[/b][/quote]

Eternal life being the very divine life itself dwelling within the soul through the Spirit of God. And this Spirit when we loose touch with it, when we deny it by our sins, does God stop loving us, does God stop chasing us? No. He lets us confess our sins and be healed, He gives us a guarantee of it through the power of the Presbyterate (1 Tim 4:14) that when we confess we are truly forgiven and there is no agonising, no worry, no need to fret. When the priest says 'therefore I absolve you...' everything is wiped clean, all tears are wiped away and it doesnt matter how many times. God forgives endlessly.

Now think on this friends? Have you ever known someone to constantly do wrong against their lover without any repercussions? Yet God who is the husband of His people, the bride of the lamb (Rev 20) does He hold grudes? Does He bring up old wounds and old arguments? Even though we sin daily does He condemn constantly? No. Even though He is infinite, even though He is beyond needing anything, even though He has taken on our nature to share His with us, He doesn't stop there. No, for God there are no limits. He holds out His hand again and again and again. His love is peerless and without compare, He loves us like nobody else can and His love calls out to us as we sty with the pigs eating their food.

And above all else in the most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist God shows the depth of His love. For He does not merely appear as a man who can speak the all powerful Word but places Himself under the appearance of a thing which cannot speak at all. Just as He was before the Sanhedrin, Christ in the Eucharist is silenced before those whom He rightly has the power to judge. He places Himself at our mercy to be devoured like a lamb amongst wolves saying:

[quote]Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them. [b]John 6:54-56[/b][/quote]

So that as Scripture tells us we become "sons in the son" to borrow an expression from St Athanasius Contramundum. God gives us all this and He does it through the Church, through religion, through the Sacraments that we recieve ever making Himself present like a source on tap to show us to give us a sign to draw us to Himself. Therefore the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church from Vatican II rightly calls itself 'Light of the Nations' for thats what the Church is: A lamp that no bushel can cover.

Our friend is right to give love such centrality. But He divorces love from its proper context. For love is best percieved through true religion, through Catholicism. Through not merely knowing in a gnostic way but hearing and seeing...hearing and seeing the priest absolve you with the confidence that it is not the priest but God absolving you ex opere operato. Hearing and seeing the priest carry out the Mass knowing it is not the priest but God making Himself present ex opere operato. It is not without religion but through the practice of true religion that the love of God is best known. For in condescending Himself to do all of these things God proves and demonstrates that which He neednt do but does because He is the only one who really can: love truly, unselfishly and infinitely, always forgiving, always seeking us out, placing Himself entirely at our mercy so that we little creatures can have a share in His infinity, so that in the depths of our hearts we can know true love as it lives and grows within us.

Edited January 19, 2006 by Myles

[Lil Red]

very awesome post!

[Solve et Coagula]

Fanaticism, a negation of true religion  

« Some people are so convinced that God's good name is under attack that they are always taking up arms in His defence. As though the Lord were a weakling who needed to be defended! Well, this is what they seem to think: they go in fear and trembling that His reputation might be besmirched and are ready to defend it at all costs, so they issue their anathemas and persecute and burn and massacre. Why do they never ask the Lord what He thinks about it? They ought to begin by asking His permission:

- "Look at all these unbelievers, heretics and blasphemers, Lord; may we punish them? May we burn them at the stake or cut off their heads?"
 
But they don't pray or ask the Lord what He thinks about it. They don't want to ask because they are not sincere. The Lord is Love and they have no desire to hear His answer:

- "No, leave them alone. It's none of your business! If they are really wicked they will come to a bad end without any help from you."
 
In spite of their claim to take up arms in defence of the Lord, they don't really care a jot for what He thinks about it. Do you really believe that these people are defending the Lord? Not a bit of it! They are simply defending their own affairs, their own prestige, influence and authority. What hypocrisy!

If they really wanted to defend the Lord they should do as He does and manifest patience and love. »

Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov