catholicinsd Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [i]In memory of all those poor unborn martyrs whom we remember this time each year. [/i] O Divine Fetus Jesus, in the Immaculate Womb of Mother Mary, we ask that You send down Your Spirit to aid in the cause of Life. Amen.
Socrates Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Jan 19 2006, 06:52 PM'][i]In memory of all those poor unborn martyrs whom we remember this time each year. [/i] O Divine Fetus Jesus, in the Immaculate Womb of Mother Mary, we ask that You send down Your Spirit to aid in the cause of Life. Amen. [right][snapback]861447[/snapback][/right] [/quote]
catholicinsd Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:56 PM'] [right][snapback]861452[/snapback][/right] [/quote] what's that for?
zabbazooey Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 I'm guessing he means babies killed for being catholic? But, it's a good prayer
catholicinsd Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='zabbazooey' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:58 PM']I'm guessing he means babies killed for being catholic? But, it's a good prayer [right][snapback]861456[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Forgive me, but I veiw the aborted as martyrs
Socrates Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Jan 19 2006, 06:59 PM']Forgive me, but I veiw the aborted as martyrs [right][snapback]861457[/snapback][/right] [/quote] They may be innocents, but they are not martyrs. A martyr is one killed specifically for his Christian Faith. The unborn do not fall into this category.
catholicinsd Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 19 2006, 08:03 PM']They may be innocents, but they are not martyrs. A martyr is one killed specifically for his Christian Faith. The unborn do not fall into this category. [right][snapback]861462[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's right, but I don't really care about the defination, the aborted deserve the same as is owed to martyrs.
Socrates Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:07 PM']That's right, but I don't really care about the defination, the aborted deserve the same as is owed to martyrs. [right][snapback]861466[/snapback][/right] [/quote] In other words, you care about your own personal opinion, rather than the truth.
Paphnutius Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:03 PM']A martyr is one killed specifically for his Christian Faith. [/quote] I believe that they can actually die for a Christian virtue or ideal as well.
Socrates Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Paphnutius' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:11 PM']I believe that they can actually die for a Christian virtue or ideal as well. [right][snapback]861472[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The unborn did not die for any ideal. I mean no disrespect to the dead unborn, but simply being a murder victim does not automatically make one a martyr. This cheapens the true meaning of martyrdom.
catholicinsd Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 19 2006, 08:14 PM'] I mean no respect to the dead unborn [right][snapback]861474[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I'm hoping that was a typo.
Paphnutius Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:14 PM']The unborn did not die for any ideal. [/quote] I meant to imply that it goes beyoned just faith. From New Advent[quote]a martyr, or witness of Christ, is a person who, though he has never seen nor heard the Divine Founder of the Church, is yet so firmly convinced of the truths of the Christian religion, that he gladly suffers death rather than deny it.[/quote] Also from [u]Outlines of Moral Theology[/u], by Fr. Francis J. Connell[quote]Martyrdom- It is the willing and nonresistant acceptance of death or of physical injuries capable of causing death which are inflicted out of hatred for Christ or for some Christian virtue. The supreme act of the virtue of fortitude is martyrdom. [/quote]That is my paraphrase of it. I am not arguing that they are, but your definition was limited. Edited January 20, 2006 by Paphnutius
Cow of Shame Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:07 PM']That's right, but I don't really care about the defination, [/quote] Well, if we can just make up definitions just to please ourselves....I don't think you want to get me started on that one.
CatholicCid Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:20 PM']Well, if we can just make up definitions just to please ourselves....I don't think you want to get me started on that one. [right][snapback]861479[/snapback][/right] [/quote] One things for sure, I'd be doing a lot better in English Class
Cow of Shame Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 ...and [i]fetus[/i] Jesus? Are you trying to be inflammatory, or just creepy?
catholicinsd Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Jan 19 2006, 08:27 PM']...and [i]fetus[/i] Jesus? Are you trying to be inflammatory, or just creepy? [right][snapback]861487[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Do you deny the Divine Personhood of our Lord
Azriel Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 I caution every one on this thread to not let this get out of hand.
Socrates Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:16 PM']I'm hoping that was a typo. [right][snapback]861475[/snapback][/right] [/quote] It was. Fixed it -sorry!
catholicinsd Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 Now that we've gotten that outta the way, shall we pray that prayer? O Divine Fetus Jesus, in the Immaculate Womb of Mother Mary, we ask that You send down Your Spirit to aid in the cause of Life. Amen.
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