crazymaine catholic Posted February 8, 2006 Posted February 8, 2006 i know that starting pitching is always good, but how much is too much? i mean, it would be pretty bad if they can't get all the pitchers to pitch. it would be a waste of talent. and just because wells and schilling and even the rocket, no matter where he ends up, are getting old, that doesn't mean they don't have skill. you need to remember that schilling was coming off of a rough off season with surgery, as was keith foulke. i'm convinced that if the older guys are healthy, they are as potent and dangerous as any other pitcher on the staff. david wells was fantastic in the second half of the season, as was tim wakefield. in fact, the last knuckle ball pitcher the sox had, the older he got, the better he got. i don't think anyone can write off any member of the sox rotation this year. there is depth in the rotation and the bullpen. yeah, i agree with you era might. get clemens. who knows when we'll need him.
Tony Posted February 8, 2006 Posted February 8, 2006 [quote name='Rick777' date='Feb 7 2006, 02:31 AM']It's all about the A's! [right][snapback]878492[/snapback][/right] [/quote] A's definatly have a shot at winning the World Series. What are you guys doing to do with your pitching staff, you have like 6 starters. Are they still thinking about trading Zito?
Era Might Posted February 8, 2006 Author Posted February 8, 2006 (edited) [quote name='khouse' date='Feb 7 2006, 08:10 PM']And then the Red Sox had a horrible offseason. I think the Red Sox only have like 3 or 4 players that were even on the World Series team at this point. [right][snapback]879524[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Schilling Kapler Ramirez Ortiz Wakefield Nixon Varitek Arroyo Foulke Timlin That's 10 remaining members of the World Series club that come to mind, all starters or regular bullpen guys except Kapler. There hasn't been much to go on the past few offseasons. The Red Sox got what they could last year (Clement), and they did the same this year (Beckett). Beckett has a chance to be a primo number 1 starter for years to come, taking the mantle from Clemens, Pedro, and Schilling. But the most exciting factor going forward is our young nucleus. Jonathon Papelbon (He was electric last year. His fast ball is unhittable. He'll be a star in the future, at the very least a number 2, if not a number 1. This year he'll probably be a long reliever, unless he progresses at rapid speed.) Dustin Pedroia (infielder; also excellent potential) Craig Hansen (was highly scouted. May have gone #1 in the draft if people weren't so afraid of Scott Boras as his agent) Kevin Youkilis (starting first baseman this year; was praised by A's GM Billy Beane as an excellent money ball player) Add to this the young corps of Alex Gonzalez, Coco Crisp, Bronson Arroyo, and David Ortiz, the Sox have a good future coming up. Those great Yankees clubs of the late '90s were built on home grown and young talent (Jeter, Williams, Rivera, etc). Edited February 8, 2006 by Era Might
crazymaine catholic Posted February 8, 2006 Posted February 8, 2006 craig hansen is certainly fantastic. actually, he was playing up here in portland for a while with the sea dogs. i was incredibly impressed with his performance last season, despite his limited opportunities. jonathan papelbon is beyond words. that guy is AMAZING!!!! i loved watching him pitch. i can't wait to see him pitch some more. if he can avoid high pitch counts, he can go whole games firing hard fastballs. this season can't start soon enough... : : we need a baseball smiley : or is there? nope.
khouse Posted February 8, 2006 Posted February 8, 2006 To be honest, I have an equal distaste for the Red Sox as I do the Yankees. The whole rivalry between the two is so overhyped by ESPN and shoved down the throats of the rest of the nation and we are expected to care. After the White Sox SWEPT the Red Sox in the playoffs this year Chris Berman decided to eulogize the Red Sox talk about how great it has been for everyone in New England this past year and what a dream it has been for all the fans, blah blah blah... rather than focus on the fact the WHITE SOX HAD JUST SWEPT THE RED SOX. I actually think I may dislike the Red Sox more than the Yankees for the sheer fact that the Yankees at least own up to being an evil empire while Red Sox have had the 2nd highest payroll in all of baseball but still somehow got played as the underdog all the time. Maybe its because like the fanbase of the Cubs the Red Sox somehow turned their many years of loosing into something loveable. All you heard from the media before the Red Sox won the World Series was how much their fanbase has suffered. Well, the White Sox had suffered longer but their fans never made it a big pit party about their losing ways. I have meet some really great Boston fans though and I do know it is a town that loves baseball but I am also disgusted in the overkill of their coverage by ESPN and grown to just clump them together with the Yankees as a team I cringe at. Last year the White Sox proved they were the best team in baseball by going wire to wire with the best record in the American League and then going 11-1 in the playoffs and they have only improved this offseason. The Red Sox can be a good team with a lot 'ifs'. IF Schilling can rebound, if Beckett stays healthy, if Wells knees are ok, if Clement doesn't have another bad second half, if Foulke can come back and be dominant again, if Manny isn't a pre-madonna (oh no wait you can't avoid that : ) and they will have three other good teams to battle with in the AL East. I am pulling for the Blue Jays, they have some good young players and good pitching. But no one really knows but thats why you play the game.
Era Might Posted February 8, 2006 Author Posted February 8, 2006 Here's a clue: nobody cares about the White Sox. That's why nobody watched the World Series. I'm glad that the White Sox won the World Series. Good for them, and good for the people of Chicago. But nobody cares. People care about the Red Sox. People care about the Yankees. Just like people care about Notre Dame, or the Los Angeles Lakers. The sooner you accept that fact of life, the better it'll be for the rest of us. : Nothing is greater in Sports than Yankees-Red Sox. It's impossible for it to be overhyped.
khouse Posted February 8, 2006 Posted February 8, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 7 2006, 11:13 PM']Here's a clue: nobody cares about the White Sox. That's why nobody watched the World Series. I'm glad that the White Sox won the World Series. Good for them, and good for the people of Chicago. But nobody cares. People care about the Red Sox. People care about the Yankees. Just like people care about Notre Dame, or the Los Angeles Lakers. The sooner you accept that fact of life, the better it'll be for the rest of us. : Nothing is greater in Sports than Yankees-Red Sox. It's impossible for it to be overhyped. [right][snapback]879907[/snapback][/right] [/quote] WOW... The arrogance for someone to expect me to care about their team and their rivalry is something to unique to the East Coast and something I will never understand. Anyways, have fun with your rivalry and I will have fun with my team defending it's World Series Championship.
crazymaine catholic Posted February 8, 2006 Posted February 8, 2006 looks like another rivalry is brewing. a rivalry of sox. too bad there isn't a major league team called the blue sox. then we could have games with the red white and blue sox. :
MC Just Posted February 8, 2006 Posted February 8, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 7 2006, 01:15 AM']Oh yah check the avatar son. It's ON this year. Schilling Beckett Arroyo Wakefield Wells Papelbon Big Papi (MVP-was ROBBED) Alex Gonzalez Kevin Youkilis OH YAH BROTHER. It's savage like my man Randy. Haters bow down. Yankee fans beware. You know you're fiending for some baseball too. [right][snapback]878475[/snapback][/right] [/quote] WOO HOO!!!!
EAnn246 Posted February 10, 2006 Posted February 10, 2006 [img]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/pentopaper246/wahoo.jpg[/img] Go Tribe!!!
God the Father Posted February 11, 2006 Posted February 11, 2006 I'm not sure really what kind of analogy I can draw to the Red Sox situation. In the beginning they traded Babe Ruth. There's Boston for you. Well, they didn't win for a lifetime, so people said they were cursed. More than likely they were actually just a lame franchise. So a few years ago they start getting good and they get hyped to the Moon. Red Sox nation anyone? Red Sox nation is complete and utter bull. Every team in the league has fans across the country. I'm a Mets fan and I live in the midwest. I know Mets fans at my school. But Red Sox nation is so special because the Red Sox have been awful for so long. So Boston gets all this money in and spends it on players, and they end up winning. Good for them. However there's nothing special about them, except that the ESPN headquarters is somewhere up in that God-forsaken region of the United States they used to call New England. So we have specials about the Red Sox finally winning one, and our ears dripping with raves about the New England Patriots. Believe it or not Era Might, the rest of the country doesn't care about Boston. It's even starting to swing back the other way to hatred. People are sick and tired. The White Sox got snubbed. Maybe it's because the people up at ESPN were upset that their precious Red Sox got flattened. But holy poo man, that was some pretty fine ball the White Sox played. I'm no White Sox fan, the Indians being my favorite in the division, but jeez o man, they did everything as good or better than the Red Sox, but no one is drooling over them? No one cares about the Yankees. The people who don't hate them are sick of them. The people who like them are Grade A Jerkholes. The East Coast isn't really all that bad. If you take away New England, really the only thing to bring it down is the Bronx. If you take that away, well heck, seems pretty okay. Yankees fans, and especially Boston area fans these days, are drunk off of victory. Drunk people are usually not fun to be around, unless you're drunk yourself. This is why Boston fans love to be around each other, and same deal with Yankees fans. Then they hit sober people.
khouse Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='God the Father' date='Feb 10 2006, 07:02 PM']I'm not sure really what kind of analogy I can draw to the Red Sox situation. In the beginning they traded Babe Ruth. There's Boston for you. Well, they didn't win for a lifetime, so people said they were cursed. More than likely they were actually just a lame franchise. So a few years ago they start getting good and they get hyped to the Moon. Red Sox nation anyone? Red Sox nation is complete and utter bull. Every team in the league has fans across the country. I'm a Mets fan and I live in the midwest. I know Mets fans at my school. But Red Sox nation is so special because the Red Sox have been awful for so long. So Boston gets all this money in and spends it on players, and they end up winning. Good for them. However there's nothing special about them, except that the ESPN headquarters is somewhere up in that God-forsaken region of the United States they used to call New England. So we have specials about the Red Sox finally winning one, and our ears dripping with raves about the New England Patriots. Believe it or not Era Might, the rest of the country doesn't care about Boston. It's even starting to swing back the other way to hatred. People are sick and tired. The White Sox got snubbed. Maybe it's because the people up at ESPN were upset that their precious Red Sox got flattened. But holy poo man, that was some pretty fine ball the White Sox played. I'm no White Sox fan, the Indians being my favorite in the division, but jeez o man, they did everything as good or better than the Red Sox, but no one is drooling over them? No one cares about the Yankees. The people who don't hate them are sick of them. The people who like them are Grade A Jerkholes. The East Coast isn't really all that bad. If you take away New England, really the only thing to bring it down is the Bronx. If you take that away, well heck, seems pretty okay. Yankees fans, and especially Boston area fans these days, are drunk off of victory. Drunk people are usually not fun to be around, unless you're drunk yourself. This is why Boston fans love to be around each other, and same deal with Yankees fans. Then they hit sober people. [right][snapback]883449[/snapback][/right] [/quote] AMEN BROTHA! The Mets have always been my favorite NL team. They share a lot in common with the White Sox. They are the 2nd team in a big city, play in a crappy stadium, and are often overlooked by the media (even in their own city). I hope we meet in the World Series this year!
Era Might Posted February 12, 2006 Author Posted February 12, 2006 [quote]I'm no White Sox fan, the Indians being my favorite in the division, but jeez o man, they did everything as good or better than the Red Sox, but no one is drooling over them?[/quote] The '04 Red Sox would beat the '05 White Sox. My favorite NL team was the Braves (and not because they used to be the Boston Braves). That team they had in the mid '90s was great. Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Fred McGriff, Mark Wholers, Chipper Jones, Marquis Grissom, etc... I'm also a Marlins fan.
curtins Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 yanks are due for another title when does spring training start?
Tony Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='EAnn246' date='Feb 10 2006, 12:06 PM'][img]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/pentopaper246/wahoo.jpg[/img] Go Tribe!!! [right][snapback]882949[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I saw Travis Hafner at a college basketball game near Cleveland (Baldwn Wallace game). I thought that was pretty cool.
khouse Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 11 2006, 07:01 PM']The '04 Red Sox would beat the '05 White Sox. [right][snapback]884212[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Regular Season Stats: Red Sox: Scored 949 runs, Allowed 768 runs White Sox: Scored 741 runs, Allowed 645 runs 2004 Red Sox ERA: 4.18 2005 White Sox ERA: 3.61 2004 Red Sox Batting Average: .282 2005 White Sox Batting Average: 262 2004 Red Sox Regular Season Record: 98-64 2005 White Sox Regular Season Record: 99-63 2004 Red Sox Postseason Record: 11-3 2005 White Sox Postseason Record: 11-1 (tied for best of all time) And don't give me nothing about the amazing comeback from being 3-0 because a truely great team wouldn't be down 3-0. Chicago > Boston and the payroll for Chicago was only around $70 million Edited February 12, 2006 by khouse
Era Might Posted February 12, 2006 Author Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='khouse' date='Feb 11 2006, 09:35 PM']And don't give me nothing about the amazing comeback from being 3-0 because a truely great team wouldn't be down 3-0. [right][snapback]884246[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's bull, for the same reason great quarterbacks earn their bones late in the game. Everyone struggles. It's what you do in response.
khouse Posted February 12, 2006 Posted February 12, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 11 2006, 07:46 PM']That's bull, for the same reason great quarterbacks earn their bones late in the game. Everyone struggles. It's what you do in response. [right][snapback]884260[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You are right but at the same time their comeback is not as remarkable as a team going through the best teams baseball has to offer in the playoffs with only one loss. 11-1 > 11-3
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