If downloading MP3s are mortally sinful...

[at0m1c]

then retaining the files on my hard drive would make it keeping stolen property?

[kamiller42]

It is not a sin if the mp3's are legally free or you have purchased the tracks. Downloading copyright material for free is stealing. The laborer deserves a just wage.

In regard to retaining on the hard drive... It is your responsibility to secure whatever material is on your hard drive.

[at0m1c]

argh... im going to hellfire for this...

[phatcatholic]

i think you should delete them bro. that's what i did when i was convicted of the wrongness of it.

[at0m1c]

i'm all right with securing my side of the music, but 90% of the music is downloaded by my brother. I share the computer with him, and I can't convince him to get rid of it. Now what?

Another thing, some of the songs can't be found in the shops. You won't find them on those online shops either. May I retain them?

This is really bugging me....it's like even if I go to confession, I'll still be sinning because the goods are still on my hard disk... argh!!!

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='at0m1c' date='Feb 15 2006, 10:03 AM']i'm all right with securing my side of the music, but 90% of the music is downloaded by my brother. I share the computer with him, and I can't convince him to get rid of it. Now what?

Another thing, some of the songs can't be found in the shops. You won't find them on those online shops either. May I retain them?

This is really bugging me....it's like even if I go to confession, I'll still be sinning because the goods are still on my hard disk... argh!!!
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first off..............r-e-m-a-i-n..................c-a-l-m deeeeep breaths, in thru the nose.........................out thru the mouth. there ya go, much better

now, if the majority of the songs on your computer are your brothers, i don't think you should delete them. that like me finding out that you bought a watch off the street that was stolen, and then stealing it from you and throwing it away. all you can really do is try to convict him of the wrongness of it.

as for the rarity of the songs, i don't think that really matters. if you stole it, well.................you stole it, haha. i think you are doing the right thing, and the Lord will respect your willingness to do his Will. i know its tough............trust me, i know. but, i replaced mp3's with articles about catholicism, and i am all the better for it :

pax christi,
phatcatholic

[Didacus]

What about music that is about 30 years old + that cannot be bougt at the store anymore or the copyright has expired?

I have several of those songs. Not that I am not willing to pay for them; but downloading free mp3 is the only way for me to get them.

[phatcatholic]

well, if its [i]legally[/i] free, or in public domain, than there is certainly nothing wrong w/ downloading it

[Didacus]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Feb 15 2006, 12:47 PM']well, if its [i]legally[/i] free, or in public domain, than there is certainly nothing wrong w/ downloading it
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Does the internet count as a 'public' domain?

[Ziggamafu]

the problem is that there are so many files that you can't have much of an idea if they have copyrights or not...it's frustrating.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Feb 15 2006, 02:57 PM']Does the internet count as a 'public' domain?
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i don't mean the internet, i mean certain media is public domain (which means, available to the public, for free, however you want to offer it) b/c the copyright has extinguished, like really old songs, or really old books like the summa


[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='Feb 15 2006, 03:27 PM']the problem is that there are so many files that you can't have much of an idea if they have copyrights or not...it's frustrating.
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that's why your only real safe bet is to get a subscription service like Napster or Yahoo Music, where you pay for the right to download the songs. then its all legal.

[at0m1c]

Do you think they have J-rock on Napster? Because that's practically what I listen to.

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='at0m1c' date='Feb 16 2006, 09:02 AM']Do you think they have J-rock on Napster? Because that's practically what I listen to.
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Don't know, but they do sell him on iTunes.

BTW, when I struggled with the same things, primarily movies and shows, the same verse kept repeating in my head: "I have no love for half-hearted men." That worked for me and set me straight, but only you know the gravity.

God Bless

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[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

what about uploading a cd of a family member and putting it on the computer and then onto your ipod?

[journeyman]

no research has gone into this google search

[url="http://www.pdinfo.com/"]Songs in the Public Domain [/url]

[url="http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm"]WHEN U.S. WORKS PASS INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN[/url]
Definition: A public domain work is a creative work that is not protected by copyright and which may be freely used by everyone. The reasons that the work is not protected include:
(1) the term of copyright for the work has expired; (2) the author failed to satisfy statutory formalities to perfect the copyright or (3) the work is a work of the U.S. Government.

[url="http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/Hirtle_Public_Domain.htm"]Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States (1 January 2006)[/url] - this is a law school site

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 6 2006, 05:29 PM']what about uploading a cd of a family member and putting it on the computer and then onto your ipod?
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i'm not really sure. it would depend on what the purchaser has the right to do with the product he has purchased. i'm inclined to think that you can't copy a CD that you bought and then give it to someone else, but then i ask myself: why do we even have blank casettes, or blank vhs tapes?

[philothea]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Mar 6 2006, 09:48 PM'][quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 6 2006, 03:29 PM']
what about uploading a cd of a family member and putting it on the computer and then onto your ipod?
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i'm not really sure. it would depend on what the purchaser has the right to do with the product he has purchased. i'm inclined to think that you can't copy a CD that you bought and then give it to someone else, but then i ask myself: why do we even have blank casettes, or blank vhs tapes?
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I don't think you can legitimately make copies of someone else's CD, or keep a copy and give away your CDs. I'm not sure about people in the same family or househould.

Sony, in their "agreement" said that if someone stole your CD, you had to delete any copies of the song you had. I think that's unreasonable.

This is another reason why I like iTunes. The licensing is very explicit, and pretty reasonable.

And... blank casettes and VHS tapes are intended for time shifting, backups, created material, or mixes compliled by people who bought CDs, to use themselves.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

wouldn't it just replace having to borrow the CD from a family member?

if this is a sin is it mortal or venial?

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 7 2006, 03:08 PM']wouldn't it just replace having to borrow the CD from a family member?

if this is a sin is it mortal or venial?
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I hope you aren't saying you would be ok with it if it was "just" a venial sin...

[philothea]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 7 2006, 05:08 PM']wouldn't it just replace having to borrow the CD from a family member?
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Only if you can guarantee you never simultaneously play the songs... (I have seen software licenses like this.)