Resurrexi Posted March 15, 2006 Posted March 15, 2006 (edited) What type of astronomical system do you believe in? We personally are a Geo-Centrist, and We are wondering what most phatmassers are. Also, seeing as most helio-centrists do not believe the sun is the centre of the universe, but rather, the centre of the "solar system" we would like to, for the purposes of this pole, define helio-centrism as the belief that the earth revolves around the sun. Edited March 16, 2006 by StThomasMore
Paphnutius Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 I am probably going to get shot down on this one but that is okay because science is by no means my strong point, but I would say the center is whatever object you make it. All things in the universe appear to move in relation to one another so it would seem possible to designate an object as the center and all objects move in relation to that be it the sun, earth, or otherwise.
Era Might Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 I believe the earth is perpendicular and revolves around the milky way.
Iacobus Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 Everywhere is the center, just depends on how you look at it. We don't have a clearly defined map of the universe, all we know is that a lot of things are moving away from us (and us from them) because of the red shift. Does that mean we are the center? No, any other planet would have the seem results. We don't know what the center is, we don't have the data to calculate it. But, if I were to stake a bet on it, I would say not the earth and not a planet. Space, as the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy puts it, ""Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space." Plus, the universe seems to be expanding. The size of the universe can be said to be x. There is a finite amount of matter in the universe, y. The "density" of matter in the universe is y/x. But x is app. infinity. And any finite number divided by infinite is zero. So, Earth doesn't exist and therefore cannot be the center. But really, the likelyhood that Earth, or any planet, will be the center of the universe is so small it is silly. There is a hugely vast amount of space and TBK the center could be anywhere. There are a lot of anywheres there, and the earth is just one.
Era Might Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) What exactly is space? Is there an end to space? How does it end? Are there theoretical walls or boundaries that wall it off? Is it a globe like earth, except containing everything that exists rather than just one planet? (These are serious questions, btw) Edited March 16, 2006 by Era Might
Guest JeffCR07 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 two of my best friends are physics majors and apparently it is, technically, possible to designate any point in the universe as a fixed point around which all other objects move. Given the designated frame of reference, all the forces in the universe will work out.
Norseman82 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 The center has not yet been found. Although the universe is infinite, there is galactical movement, as Iacobus pointed out; and I'm not sure if we'vefound the point from which it is moving from or moving to.
Era Might Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Mar 15 2006, 07:27 PM']The center has not yet been found. Although the universe is infinite, there is galactical movement, as Iacobus pointed out; and I'm not sure if we'vefound the point from which it is moving from or moving to. [right][snapback]912853[/snapback][/right] [/quote] How can the universe be infinite? That would mean it's God?
Guest JeffCR07 Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Mar 15 2006, 05:28 PM']How can the universe be infinite? That would mean it's God? [right][snapback]912856[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No, it wouldn't. First, there are two different kinds of infinity - aleph naught and the continuum - with the latter being greater than the former. Second, neither one, of itself, is equivalent to God (that than which nothing greater can be conceived). There are an infinite number of points in you. Are you God?
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 I believe the world rotates around a giant dancing taco in the middle of the galaxy.
Era Might Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Mar 15 2006, 07:31 PM']There are an infinite number of points in you. Are you God? [right][snapback]912863[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sure sounds like it.
Socrates Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Mar 15 2006, 04:58 PM'] We personally are a Geo-Centrist, and We are wondering what most phatmassers are. [right][snapback]912811[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Ahh . . . the "Royal We"
Sojourner Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 I personally believe I am the center of the universe. All the rest of you are here for my personal entertainment.
rkwright Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Mar 15 2006, 09:20 PM']I personally believe I am the center of the universe. All the rest of you are here for my personal entertainment. [right][snapback]912979[/snapback][/right] [/quote] hahaha you rock my world!
Iacobus Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 (edited) [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Mar 15 2006, 05:31 PM']No, it wouldn't. First, there are two different kinds of infinity - aleph naught and the continuum - with the latter being greater than the former. Second, neither one, of itself, is equivalent to God (that than which nothing greater can be conceived). There are an infinite number of points in you. Are you God? [right][snapback]912863[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Cantor was crazy. There are, or rather may be, many levels of aephs that we see all the time. Firstly, that is scary. Secondly, I almost suffered the same fate as Cantor did when thinking about it. Edited March 16, 2006 by Iacobus
Paphnutius Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Mar 15 2006, 05:27 PM']two of my best friends are physics majors and apparently it is, technically, possible to designate any point in the universe as a fixed point around which all other objects move. Given the designated frame of reference, all the forces in the universe will work out. [right][snapback]912852[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yay I was right. Just kidding. I am sure that I have no where near the know-how to defend my position as well as they could, but it still nice to know that I am in good company. Seriously though, I would be interested in a link of some sort that discusses the two different types of infinity. This harkens me back to the thread about the qualities of God and there being multiple "Gods."
Paladin Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 The physical center of the Universe is important only to physicists. Spiritually, Earth - or, specifically, Mankind - is at the center.
Resurrexi Posted March 16, 2006 Author Posted March 16, 2006 Wow! I cant believe 13 percent of phatmassers are flat earthers! I thought there were only about 1000 in the whole world! It's also amazing we have one luna-centrist!
Thumper Posted March 16, 2006 Posted March 16, 2006 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Mar 15 2006, 06:17 PM']But, if I were to stake a bet on it, I would say not the earth and not a planet. Space, as the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy puts it, ""Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space." [right][snapback]912836[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Lovely use of the Hitchhiker's Guide. I salute you!
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