The Pope on Politics

[jesussaves]

sins are crimes against God, and should not be allowed

Edited March 28, 2007 by jesussaves

[dairygirl4u2c]

it seems reasonable that if you think sodomy etc cause social ills to a great degree to be for banning it. though i personally don't think the social ills are there, even from a catholic perspective, enough to justify people's God given right to sin. and it's also reasonable that you don't want to ban sloth etc if you perceive them to be smaller social ills not enough to ban. i'd assume you agree with the god given right for those things, as long as it's not hurting anyone else. so essentially, you agree with the not hurting anyone else theory is what should base things to ban. you think sodomy hurts others.
if these are your reasons, i think you should be more express about them so as to not talk past people like me.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1221310' date='Mar 28 2007, 05:51 PM']it seems reasonable that if you think sodomy etc cause social ills to a great degree to be for banning it. though i personally don't think the social ills are there, even from a catholic perspective, enough to justify people's God given right to sin. and it's also reasonable that you don't want to ban sloth etc if you perceive them to be smaller social ills not enough to ban. i'd assume you agree with the god given right for those things, as long as it's not hurting anyone else. so essentially, you agree with the not hurting anyone else theory is what should base things to ban. you think sodomy hurts others.
if these are your reasons, i think you should be more express about them so as to not talk past people like me.[/quote]If you have the impression I am talking past you, I apologize. I certainly don't mean to.
What I'm trying to point out is there are greater consequences for actions than are generally acknowledged. I agree with you that we have the God given gift of free-will, but along with that comes the responsibility of paying the consequences. Government that provides order via laws, not only protects the weak, but gives order and structure to society by helping to establish and legitamize values held by society. Humans are social creatures and interact in a larger society. We need help in balancing individual rights and the rights of greater society.

[Budge]

[quote]sins are crimes against God, and should not be allowed[/quote]

Lets lock up everyone then...

Get in argument, youre going to jail....

etc...

Some on here seem to desire the state to become even more totalitarian.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Budge' post='1221349' date='Mar 28 2007, 05:52 PM']Lets lock up everyone then...

Get in argument, youre going to jail....

etc...

Some on here seem to desire the state to become even more totalitarian.[/quote]


That happens now. It's called disturbing the peace or spousal abuse. So are you suggesting it be stricken from the books.

[Budge]

No those are crimes.

Someone here wrote that every sin should have a criminal charge, I was talking about an argument where no physical altercation is involved and where you are not in a public place.

I guess the prisons would be even fuller...