In High School- Live at the Convent?

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[quote name='PCPA2Be' date='Apr 15 2006, 12:15 PM'][b]What I posted is that I don't think our opinions should supercede that of a spiritual director. [/b] If he/she is saying one thing and we are giving a melange of opinions as well, he is the one who knows the discerner face to face, not us (or, rarely, us).    While our sharing of our own experiences fosters community and is good to hear about others' journey toward holiness, I don't think we have the experience to spiritually direct another.
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[Emphasis mine] We're in complete agreement.

[quote name='PCPA2Be' date='Apr 15 2006, 12:15 PM']If you read the first post, the topic of the thread was merely to inform others of this opportunity.  That's why I'm stating that a debate is 'off topic'.  It was a post made in charity, and that's not where the thread has gone.
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This has been a conversation, not a debate. I'm thankful to all who have taken the time to share their experiences and opinions.

[ruso]

[quote name='PCPA2Be' date='Apr 15 2006, 04:48 PM']Ruso, I'm not sure what you are saying.

'pardon the manipulation that holds from 14 until it leaves'?  Could you clarify what you mean?
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What I want to say is that when i was 14 years old, was manipulated to continue a vocation that I do not have, they were repeating me continuously that was what God wanted of me, when I left this institution with 22 years they threatened me with the eternal condemnation and repeating that i would not be happy (they were wrong).
what that I have not excused yet to them, as to be received so young and manipulate. After that one, I was 8 years without entering in a church.
That's why I understand what Alicemary says on young girls gather with a view to the religious life, although this program of the sisters of martyr St. George seems good.
Denise, I would like to know your opinion about this other with girls of 12 to 17-18 years when they happen to the postulancy, this in Spanish idiom.
[url="http://www.servidoras.org/documento.asp?titulo=Aspirantados&seccion=Casas+de+Formaci%F3n"]http://www.servidoras.org/documento.asp?ti...+de+Formaci%F3n[/url]
Look the images of aspirantados in Peru, Ecuador, Egipto and Argentina.
[url="http://www.servidoras.org/casas.asp"]http://www.servidoras.org/casas.asp[/url]

[Veritas]

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Dear Ruso,

Wow. I am quite surprised by what you have said. I know and have studied with these sisters in Europe. They were all VERY HAPPY and JOYFUL TO BE SISTERS... I am inclined to believe that the pressure you were under is an isolated incident. Furthermore, please forgive me, but I also believe that allegations of such a serious nature, as a matter of prudence, must be taken with a "grain of salt". We do not want to defame the name of an entire community by the possible actions of one or a small group. Especially, as our identities as pm'ers must necessarily remain anonymous, this does give those of ill-intent (please realize this is a general statement, I do not intend to imply this to you) an opportunity for mischief. Thus, we must not give too much credence to the negative experiences of one another.

Blessings to you!

Veritas

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[ruso]

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Dear Ruso,

Wow. I am quite surprised by what you have said. I know and have studied with these sisters in Europe. They were all VERY HAPPY and JOYFUL TO BE SISTERS... I am inclined to believe that the pressure you were under is an isolated incident. Furthermore, please forgive me, but I also believe that allegations of such a serious nature, as a matter of prudence, must be taken with a "grain of salt". We do not want to defame the name of an entire community by the possible actions of one or a small group. Especially, as our identities as pm'ers must necessarily remain anonymous, this does give those of ill-intent (please realize this is a general statement, I do not intend to imply this to you) an opportunity for mischief. Thus, we must not give too much credence to the negative experiences of one another.


Veritas
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My negative experience was with the Opus Dei, continuing with the alone topic I have asked the opinion about the girls' revenue in an aspirantado from the 12 years, I know something to the Servants of the Lord and collaborate economically with them. His commitment with the in need ones and with the Church for my this one out of doubt.
I feel the confusion on the topic, also I doubt that the servants were admitting a man with them.
Thanks for the flowers.
Ruso

[benedictaj]

[quote name='PCPA2Be' date='Apr 16 2006, 06:15 AM']
No one is saying ONLY the opinion of a 16 year old counts.  However, his or her opinion DOES count.  I just didn't feel that some of the posts were supporting their desires or their interests or even their opinions, and since it's truly something that would directly involve them, they should have a voice, and one that matters.  I certainly don't want some young woman to come along, read this thread later, and think, 'gee, He certainly couldn't be calling me to religious life, I'm 'too young'.' He calls when He calls. 

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Pax Christi.
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Well, when I read a book about the vocation stories of nuns, when I was about ten or eleven, none of the sisters interviewed in the book had felt called to religious life early on, so I presumed then, that I wasn't simply because I felt the desire so early on. hehe, that has proved to be wrong.

I didn't mean to spark up a debate with my comments, I was just sharing my opinion, but perhaps it was too inflammatory. I apologise if it was.

Again, I must reiterate, I [b]understand[/b] that some girls are called early on in life, [i]I myself was/am!![/i] It is just, that in my opinion, these sorts of schools should be the exception, not the norm. Like AliceMary's experience, perhaps it was because it was common, that problems would occur.

Also, remember, I did want to attend such a school, but now, I am so glad that I didn't. I still had a Catholic education, in an all girls school, and I have somehow come out a stronger Catholic (maybe it was all the Protestants and atheists and pantheists I battled with )

But, it is interesting to see other opinions on this issue. For one, I didn't realise how strongly people felt about it all!! : :

God bless.

[HisChild]

[quote name='ruso' date='Apr 15 2006, 04:48 PM']What I want to say is that when i was 14 years old, was manipulated to continue a vocation that I do not have, they were repeating me continuously that was what God wanted of me, when I left this institution with 22 years they threatened me with the eternal condemnation and repeating that i would not be happy (they were wrong).
what that I have not excused yet to them, as to be received so young and manipulate. After that one, I was 8 years without entering in a church.
That's why I understand what Alicemary says on young girls gather with a view to the religious life, although this program of the sisters of martyr St. George seems good.
Denise, I would like to know your opinion about this other with girls of 12 to 17-18 years when they happen to the postulancy, this in Spanish idiom.
[url="http://www.servidoras.org/documento.asp?titulo=Aspirantados&seccion=Casas+de+Formaci%F3n"]http://www.servidoras.org/documento.asp?ti...+de+Formaci%F3n[/url]
Look the images of aspirantados in Peru, Ecuador, Egipto and Argentina.
[url="http://www.servidoras.org/casas.asp"]http://www.servidoras.org/casas.asp[/url]
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Ruso, I am sorry you had such a bad experience. I can't imagine that to be the norm. I tried to look on the websites you mentioned, but I couldn't get the english part of the site to download. I apologize, but sometimes those sites don't recognize Apple computers.

Again, please don't look poorly on relgious life based on an experience you had, as was mentioned in another post, it may have only been the community and not the Order at large. God bless you ! I pray you are having a blessed Easter.

[Gemma]

Alton's project is based, essentially, on the aspirancy schools which flourished in the 1950s.

We're hoping to bring that back eventually.

We also have a page on our website describing the concept of the St. Gemma and St. BJ Labre Houses. What Alton is doing is basically the same thing.

[URL= [url="http://cloisters.tripod.com/"]http://cloisters.tripod.com/[/url]]Society of Our Lady of the Cloister[/URL]

Just look on the navigation and find the link for the St. Gemma Houses.

The Cloisterites, which I hope will soon be founded by us, will be hosting St. Gemma and St. BJ Labre Houses for discerners. Some of the active orders which we have proposed may also develop aspirancy schools.

I know a lady from PA who attended aspirancy school and later entered the sponsoring convent. She left when the Mass was changed. She enjoyed her experience, though.

My only concern about aspirancy schools is the danger of turning the students into "inmates," or hyping the future convent experience.

As I'm trying to teach our own Cloisterite aspirants, "Pray, never push. You're there to love the discerner, to answer questions, but never to make decisions for them. We try our best to promote a peaceful, prayerful environment where one can engage in contemplative prayer and hear the still small voice within."

Sorry this post is so rambling. A lot going on here.

Blessings,
Gemma

[Laurentina1975]

Thanks for the info!