What would you say if your priest

[Resurrexi]

Vote!

[Socrates]

My parish priest would never make such a moronic statement.

[Brother Adam]

I would be charitable and remember he is a priest.

[MilesChristi]

I hope that I would calmly disagree and ask the priest why he thinks that. After engaging him in conversation about it, I would write to the bishop if necessary.

[MichaelFilo]

He was specially blessed as a priest, and so there is something that demands respect. However, his role brings much higher responsibility, so in the inten tof beint charitable, I'd probably calmly discuss it, and having seen that error flows freely from his mouth, kindly suggest the last option.

God bless,
Mikey

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

I personally know some priests. None of them have mentioned it to men. And none of those priests are or ever have been my pastor.

Of course, i was surprised to find out. They never have used the pulpit for their political opinions of the church.

SHALOM

[Aloysius]

I would call Bishop Donald Wuerl, who has been known to silence priests who have come out in support of female ordination.

[Christie_M]

[color="blue"] I would ask why he's going to let that happen. [/color]

[Guest Rick777]

The over my dead body one is tempting.

[Christie_M]

[color="blue"] That's what I was going to vote for, but then again, I don't think it'll be very polite to say that to a priest. [/color]

[Cam42]

I would simply quote [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html"]Ordinatio Sacerdotalis[/url].

[quote name='Ordinatio Sacerdotalis #1']Priestly ordination, which hands on the office entrusted by Christ to his Apostles of teaching, sanctifying and governing the faithful, has in the Catholic Church from the beginning always been reserved to men alone. This tradition has also been faithfully maintained by the Oriental Churches.[/quote]

[quote name='Ordinatio Sacerdotalis #4']Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church's judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) [b]I declare that [u]the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.[/u][/b][/quote]

[Resurrexi]

Is Ordinatio Sacerdotalis infallable?

[Aloysius]

by ordinary papal infallibility, yes.

[Jaime]

Its infallible but it falls short of dogma

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

i would say:

"Father, I think its time you got a new job."

[toledo_jesus]

I'd say...


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No, that would excommunicate me...But I would be very upset.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='961132' date='Apr 25 2006, 09:37 PM']
by ordinary papal infallibility, yes.
[/quote]

Actually by Ordinary Universal Magisterium...not by the Pope.

I think there's an old argument on this, but I'm very adamant. :

[quote]

CONCERNING THE TEACHING CONTAINED IN ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS RESPONSUM AD DUBIUM

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

October 28, 1995

Dubium: Whether the teaching that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women, which is presented in the Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis to be held definitively, is to be understood as belonging to the deposit of faith.

Responsum: In the affirmative.

This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium (cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium 25, 2). Thus, in the present circumstances, the Roman Pontiff, exercising his proper office of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32), has handed on this same teaching by a formal declaration, explicitly stating what is to be held always, everywhere, and by all, as belonging to the deposit of the faith.[/quote]

[Aloysius]

that is what ordinary papal infallibility is-- it does not draw authority from itself but from the ordinary universal magisterium.

HOWEVER, the ordinary universal magisterium is some pie in the sky structure of ambiguity... I'd dare anyone to try to prove something has been taught by the ordinary universal magisterium. That's why we have the ordinary papal magisterium-- the Pope basically puts a stamp on something as being taught by the ordinary universal magisterium infallibly by his ordinary magisterium.

i.e. the Pope cannot err in saying what is infallible by the ordinary universal magisterium. it's like an infallible teaching that something is infallible.

like Pius XII in Humanari Generis; without that document you'd need a billion documents to prove that the Church has universally and always taught that Adam and Eve were two distinct historical individuals. But Pius XII infallibly says that the Church has always taught they were two distinct historical individuals

[Apotheoun]

The fact that a woman cannot be ordained as a priest has not been [i]defined[/i] by the Church through a solemn act of the Extraordinary Magisterium; instead, it has been taught infallibly through a [i]non-defining[/i] act of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium, and this teaching has been confirmed as [i]de fide tenenda[/i] by an official and irrevocable declaration issued by Pope John Paul II in 1994.

Thus, it is impossible for a woman to validly receive sacred ordination to the presbyterate.

[Myles Domini]

Yup, yup, yup its an impossibility so I voted that way but my parish priest would never say something so ridiculous anyways.