Socrates Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 [quote name='ReinnieR' post='971585' date='May 4 2006, 05:45 PM'] i have the vatican flag in my room. if i have a flag pole i'll fly it. i'm in the military. i love this country. i put my life on the line for it but don't tell me i can't fly other flags here. [/quote] But being in the military, I'm sure you wouldn't fly Old Glory upside down under those flags!
ReinnieR Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' post='971764' date='May 4 2006, 09:11 PM'] But being in the military, I'm sure you wouldn't fly Old Glory upside down under those flags! [/quote] yes but she was saying. this is the United States of America fly your flag somewhere else. and no i would never fly any national flag under another flag. [quote name='StThomasMore' post='971775' date='May 4 2006, 09:19 PM'] You wouldnt put the Vatican Flag above the US flag? [/quote] no i wouldn't. equal height.
Era Might Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 Cardinal Mahoney has also said the waving of Mexican flags at the protests needs to stop. It sends the wrong message. I happen to agree. I have no problem with people waving their flag. Just show some common sense...
homeschoolmom Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='971634' date='May 4 2006, 07:02 PM'] You've said this twice now. I'm not saying you're wrong, but could you please back this up with some legitimate information. Thanks. [/quote] So, St. Thomas More... You got anything for me here?
Socrates Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='971775' date='May 4 2006, 08:19 PM'] You wouldnt put the Vatican Flag above the US flag? [/quote] There are protocols governing the flying of flags. If you do not want to obey these protocols, you should just not fly the American flag. What these Mexicans are doing is deliberately disrespectful of America. No one should be allowed citizenship, or even be allowed to work here, who does not respect this country. If people come in massive numbers into a country from another, and do not respect this country, nor consider themselves part of it, it is not immigration, but invasion.
AngelofJesus Posted May 5, 2006 Posted May 5, 2006 Is it a sin? Morally wrong? Against the law? Idealogically wrong? Forget that your an american for a second and focus on your catholicism. What law(philosophical, theological, government, natural, moral) did it violate? I am not trying to say that being patriotic is wrong, just want to talk about it in a catholic/christian 1st perspective.
Socrates Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 [quote name='AngelofJesus' post='972738' date='May 5 2006, 04:58 PM'] Is it a sin? Morally wrong? Against the law? Idealogically wrong? Forget that your an american for a second and focus on your catholicism. What law(philosophical, theological, government, natural, moral) did it violate? I am not trying to say that being patriotic is wrong, just want to talk about it in a catholic/christian 1st perspective. [/quote] Is this question addressed to me? The disrespect towards the flag (if that's what you are referring to) is clearly a sin against charity and against respect for lawful authority. Therefore it is a sin against the fourth commandment (which forbids disprespect to lawful authority) and the fifth commandment (which condemns sins against charity, in addition to murder). It may also be considered a sin of ingratitute, for these people are coming into and taking advantage of America (for jobs, etc.), then disrepecting this country which has benefited them. This would be analagous to coming into another's home, sleeping there, and eating the meals provided, then blatantly insulting the host. This is in every way contrary to virtue and cannot be defended by a true Catholic (of any nationality).
AngelofJesus Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' post='972744' date='May 5 2006, 04:12 PM'] Is this question addressed to me? [/quote] No, to everyone.
KnightofChrist Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 (edited) [quote name='AngelofJesus' post='972738' date='May 5 2006, 04:58 PM'] Is it a sin? Morally wrong? Against the law? Idealogically wrong? Forget that your an american for a second and focus on your catholicism. What law(philosophical, theological, government, natural, moral) did it violate? I am not trying to say that being patriotic is wrong, just want to talk about it in a catholic/christian 1st perspective. [/quote] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, I will not forget I am an US American citizen it would be Un-Catholic of me to forget the Laws of my nation. Mexican Nationals steal into this nation and therefor steal everything they gain while in this sovereign nation. The Mexican Nationals are stealing US citizens jobs, property, homes, money, healthcare, cars, everything they unlawfully gain while here in the US they steal. The same would hold true if I was to break into some ones home and take there money and most of what they own just because there would be 20 million of me does not make it just to steal something that does not belong to me. Mexican Nationals are thefts when they cross the border of The United States illegally. And I don't buy the story Americans don't want the jobs Mexicans do... its just the Mexicans have stolen and taken the jobs Americans would have done. That has been my case about 20 times now. Edited May 6, 2006 by KnightofChrist
AngelofJesus Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='972812' date='May 5 2006, 05:36 PM'] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, I will not forget I am an US American citizen it would be Un-Catholic of me to forget the Laws of my nation. Mexican Nationals steal into this nation and therefor steal everything they gain while in this sovereign nation. The Mexican Nationals are stealing US citizens jobs, property, homes, money, healthcare, cars, everything they unlawfully gain while here in the US they steal. The same would hold true if I was to break into some ones home and take there money and most of what they own just because there would be 20 million of me does not make it just to steal something that does not belong to me. Mexican Nationals are thefts when they cross the border of The United States illegally. And I don't buy the story Americans don't want the jobs Mexicans do... its just the Mexicans have stolen and taken the jobs Americans would have done. That has been my case about 20 times now. [/quote] So, if they become legal immigrants are they still stealing your job, property, home, money, healthcare, cars and everything they unlawfully gained while here in the US?
ruso Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' post='971486' date='May 5 2006, 12:30 AM'] Celebrating one's heritage is one thing. Disrespecting the flag of the country in which one is living (such as by flying it upside down under the Mexican flag) is another. If these people hate the U.S., they should go back to Mexico. End of story. How would you like it if a bunch of Americans moved to Spain, and insulted Spain and its flag? [/quote] It is true, I defend the right to wave the flag of your community or country, but it is very different to profane the flag of the country that receives you. [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='972812' date='May 6 2006, 02:36 AM'] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, I will not forget I am an US American citizen it would be Un-Catholic of me to forget the Laws of my nation. Mexican Nationals steal into this nation and therefor steal everything they gain while in this sovereign nation. The Mexican Nationals are stealing US citizens jobs, property, homes, money, healthcare, cars, everything they unlawfully gain while here in the US they steal. The same would hold true if I was to break into some ones home and take there money and most of what they own just because there would be 20 million of me does not make it just to steal something that does not belong to me. Mexican Nationals are thefts when they cross the border of The United States illegally. And I don't buy the story Americans don't want the jobs Mexicans do... its just the Mexicans have stolen and taken the jobs Americans would have done. That has been my case about 20 times now. [/quote] Even the Mexican recruits in the army, because there are no sufficient citizens of USA to want to be soldiers ?.
Winchester Posted May 6, 2006 Posted May 6, 2006 I don't think they can really steal the jobs. The jobs are either unwanted or given to them by people. Some are given to avoid making just agreements between workers and employers. Immigrants can't really steal jobs. A jobs isn't like a car--someone has to perform the act of hiring, and in most cases, I reckon it's some cheap bastard, a smaller scale of the sort who've farmed jobs to other countries so they could have lower employment costs America is as much to blame for the influx as Mexico. We've supported the regime in Mexico through all its vile machinations. We've abused the workers in Mexico through our companies.
KnightofChrist Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='AngelofJesus' post='972850' date='May 5 2006, 07:11 PM'] So, if they become legal immigrants are they still stealing your job, property, home, money, healthcare, cars and everything they unlawfully gained while here in the US? [/quote] If they kept those things after becoming legal, yes. If I was to break into someones house and steal their TV then later aploygize but still kept the TV it doesnt change the fact the TV would stolen I would be a theif. Same goes for the illegal person they steal into the nation and take unlawfully our jobs and if later they become "legal" but keep the jobs they have stolen it still makes them theifs.
Guest Rick777 Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='Sailahína' post='971405' date='May 4 2006, 02:33 PM'] yes, I think it is okay to take pride in your heritage. And I think it is good to welcome [b]legal[/b] immigrants into this country. But why fly a Mexican flag in America? This is not Mexico, its America, Mexican flags should be flown in Mexico, ya know? I forgot to mention in the two pics I posted, that happened in Washington, on our own soil... [/quote] What the heck? Don't come to California and say that...... [quote name='Era Might' post='972017' date='May 5 2006, 05:32 AM'] Cardinal Mahoney has also said the waving of Mexican flags at the protests needs to stop. It sends the wrong message. I happen to agree. I have no problem with people waving their flag. Just show some common sense... [/quote] Agreed. I have no problem with people waving any flag whether it be from Mexico, Ireland, England, Africa, Spain, etc. I don't know why anyone else would and this thread seems to be targeting Mexican Americans and labeling them "all" unpatriotic" or "disrespectful." Tell an Irishman he shouldn't wave his flag in America and if he wants to he can go back where he came from and it would be a big deal. Tell a Mexican if he wants to wave his flag then go back to where he came from and it's like,"Oh yah, I agree!." Kinda wrong......IDK.
KnightofChrist Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='ruso' post='973108' date='May 5 2006, 09:50 PM'] Even the Mexican recruits in the army, because there are no sufficient citizens of USA to want to be soldiers ?. [/quote] Good point. However these Mexican recruits are going the legal way to become legal American citizens. The majorty of Mexican Nationals do not try to become legal citizens.
Guest Rick777 Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='972812' date='May 5 2006, 05:36 PM'] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, I will not forget I am an US American citizen it would be Un-Catholic of me to forget the Laws of my nation. Mexican Nationals steal into this nation and therefor steal everything they gain while in this sovereign nation. The Mexican Nationals are stealing US citizens jobs, property, homes, money, healthcare, cars, everything they unlawfully gain while here in the US they steal. The same would hold true if I was to break into some ones home and take there money and most of what they own just because there would be 20 million of me does not make it just to steal something that does not belong to me. Mexican Nationals are thefts when they cross the border of The United States illegally. And I don't buy the story Americans don't want the jobs Mexicans do... its just the Mexicans have stolen and taken the jobs Americans would have done. That has been my case about 20 times now. [/quote] Okay will you go work in my fields for a couple of bucks a day? Thanks.
KnightofChrist Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='Rick777' post='975015' date='May 7 2006, 11:27 PM'] Okay will you go work in my fields for a couple of bucks a day? Thanks. [/quote] I've done it before buddy, this is farm land. Its called doing God's work... and it may be hard but I'm not afraid to do it. ps your welcomed
Guest Rick777 Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 (edited) And can you get about 20 other dudes to come help you? I'm happy to hear your a good worker, need more Americans like you. Edited May 8, 2006 by Rick777
KnightofChrist Posted May 8, 2006 Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='Rick777' post='975018' date='May 7 2006, 11:31 PM'] And can you get about 20 other dudes to come help you? [/quote] why will you?
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