Circle_Master Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 As for 1Cor 15:28; We must understand that Jesus is not subordinate to the Father(i.e. making Him a "lesser" God or inferior); rather Jesus submits Himself willingly to the Father, because that is also the will of Jesus(i.e. to submit Himself to the Father). Remember in my previous post; the Father has an idea of Himself; and that idea is the Word. So the Word has to be EQUAL to the Father, and has to have the SAME will as the Father. Subordinate in function I mean. And we agree anyway. Jesus submited willingly to the father and thus he functions in a subordinate manner. Saying the Father has an idea of Himself is really weird however. You said then that the Word sprung from the idea. John 1 says the Word was Jesus. Haven't heard that before, it seems to indicate that the Son sprung from his thoughts too. Kindof arianish sounding with the aeons bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 haven't u guys heard of the famous ALoysius Diagrams? ok, so i guess you haven't... check this one out: either: http://staloysius.i8.com/Diagrams/triune_god.htm or... : http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...indpost&p=66843 eternally begotten in-depthathized... :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 in the PhatMass-Posted one... the next post adds Mary into the mix :rolling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookofjohn Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 Hi Aloysius! Cool diagrams there ^_^ Circle_Master: For more information on the Trinity, I strongly recommend you THEOLOGY FOR BEGINNERS by Frank J. Sheed! This book is really amazing, simple but profound! BookOfJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted December 30, 2003 Share Posted December 30, 2003 I've read quite a few theology books, but I'll keep that one in mind :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted January 1, 2004 Author Share Posted January 1, 2004 I thought you had a diagram on this Al. So, eteranally begotten means that at every single moment the Son has been/is being/will be begotten by the Father? Talk about a mind-messer. Hey, how does transubstantiation fit into this? Does the Son's begetting at the moment of consecration mean that the Son could, in fact, be begotten into the Eucharist much the same way that He was begotten in Mary at the moment of the Incarnation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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