OLAM Dad Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 If going to Mass was made illegal would it be a sin to go? Of course not. Does legalized abortion make the act unsinful? Of course not. These are two extreme examples to justify my 'no' vote.
MC IMaGiNaZUN Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 The sin is not in the card playing itself. The sin is in breaking the law. There is no time when the law would need to be broken for the "greater" good of card playing. SHALOM
prose Posted May 11, 2006 Posted May 11, 2006 Why would breaking the law in this case be a sin? That seems ridiculous.
Socrates Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 If Dairygirl's polls were made illegal, would anybody care?
OLAM Dad Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' post='978835' date='May 11 2006, 06:46 PM'] If Dairygirl's polls were made illegal, would anybody care? [/quote] Not nice
Fixxxer Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' post='978835' date='May 11 2006, 06:46 PM'] If Dairygirl's polls were made illegal, would anybody care? [/quote] thats what i was thinking!
Sarah_JC Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 Yes. Just like it's a sin to drink under age (even if it's not to excess). MC is right.
frozencell Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 The sin is in breaking the law. But there are restraints and rules for that. Give to Caeser what is his and give to God what is his. But if the law goes against God then you have to go with God's law, I think. But I am pretty sure that card playing doesn't really fall in this category.
CatholicCid Posted May 12, 2006 Posted May 12, 2006 (edited) You have your just laws, unjust laws, and just plain wierd laws... If such a thing like this was made law, I'd probably see no problem in breaking it as it would go with the rest of the wierd laws... Yah know... Such as showing a horror film in Glendale CA on Thurs, Fri, Sat, & Sun is illegal... Speaking English instead of American in Illinois... Taking a bath without a medical prescription in Massachusetts... ect... I just see it as too silly a law to take seriously Edited May 12, 2006 by CatholicCid
goldbug16 Posted May 13, 2006 Posted May 13, 2006 [quote name='prose' post='978403' date='May 11 2006, 10:13 AM'] Why would breaking the law in this case be a sin? That seems ridiculous. [/quote] My thoughts exactly.
Guest JeffCR07 Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 [quote name='prose' post='978403' date='May 11 2006, 10:13 AM'] Why would breaking the law in this case be a sin? That seems ridiculous. [/quote] Because if obedience to a law does not cause us to sin, then we ought to obey that law. Christ told Pilate that whatever authority he had was given to him, and it is the same for all government. The fact of the matter is, breaking a law that need not be broken is an act of rejecting the authority that God has granted unto the government. If the law causes you to sin, it is your obligation to follow it. If you can follow the law without extraordinary duress, then you ought to follow it out of respect for the authority of God. Your Brother In Christ, Jeff
Proud2BCatholic139 Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 I think of this as the speed limit. I have such a hard time going 5 over anywhere I go and I need to stop. Even though it may seem harmless, but the law is set and we need to obey it. A priest told me it was a mortal sin going 20 over It was a venial for going about 5-15 over I don't know...But it was one of the two. Who would ever know?
God Conquers Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 [quote name='Proud2BCatholic139' post='981392' date='May 15 2006, 07:57 AM'] I think of this as the speed limit. I have such a hard time going 5 over anywhere I go and I need to stop. Even though it may seem harmless, but the law is set and we need to obey it. A priest told me it was a mortal sin going 20 over It was a venial for going about 5-15 over I don't know...But it was one of the two. Who would ever know? [/quote] I know a priest who believes it's amortal sin NOT to go 20 over.
Josie07 Posted May 15, 2006 Posted May 15, 2006 [quote name='OLAM Dad' post='978115' date='May 11 2006, 06:46 AM'] If going to Mass was made illegal would it be a sin to go? Of course not. Does legalized abortion make the act unsinful? Of course not. These are two extreme examples to justify my 'no' vote. [/quote] I think that is put really well . Just because something is legal doesn't make it right, and vise verser. At one time wasn't it illegal to pray?? ( i know i heard that somewhere)
dairygirl4u2c Posted May 16, 2006 Author Posted May 16, 2006 (edited) [quote]If Dairygirl's polls were made illegal, would anybody care?[/quote] Says the man who makes simple statements next to ad hominem everytime I make a good point. Such as this. I'm making a good point in this thread, and I doubt he even knows it. I'm sure he'd say that breaking that law would not be sinful to play cards, but then he'd leave without saying why. Maybe since I called him out, he'd change here who knows. I'm just basing these statements on his actions in the past. From the responses in this thread, it's obvious people here need to think; I'm doing you guys a favor. Props to Jeff's response as always though. Edited May 16, 2006 by dairygirl4u2c
frozencell Posted May 16, 2006 Posted May 16, 2006 I think that an unjust law is really only one that stands in direct contradiction of God's law. In the case of the bathing and what-not, these things are just common sense and hygiene, etc. But cards? If it were made illegal then it would be a sin to play them because of respect for God in obeying his decrees to human government.
MC IMaGiNaZUN Posted May 16, 2006 Posted May 16, 2006 Let me shift it this way. If it were illegal to play card games... could there ever be a morally justifiable reason to break the law in order to play a card game. Of course this seems so ridiculous discussing it, but that is why i said the sin is in breaking the law, not in playing the game itself. SHALOM
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