Okay...I'm flipping out here!

[Slave_of_the_Trinity]

Your right, I should simply say to My Three Fiat Voluntas Tua! And just let it go to the Trinity. He always knows exactly what to do.

[alicemary]

You must hold on to your believe that the Lord will truly lead you where HE wants you. As to entering an order with the intention of making drastic changes to the way things used to be, I believe will only bring you heartache. And more then likely that would not be a popular move and you might be asked to leave as a troublemaker.
You stated this is the first group that you met, well go meet some more!!! There are alot of orders out there, all with different habits, rules, and apostolates. Keep an open mind about the Baptistine sisters and spend more time with them. Maybe if you know what they are really about, an external like a modified habit will not seem so upsetting.
Slow down, have some fun with this and do some serious exploring.
Allicemary

[magnificat]

Slave of the Trinity,

I'm sorry to hear that you had such a disappointing conversation. My advice is to look elsewhere. It sounds like they are entrenched in the "liberalism" and it's not a good idea to enter with the presupposition that you'll be able to change it later. If you don't you're stuck...and even if you do, it'll be after you've gone through formation, which is not particularly a great enviornment for you to be growing closer to God if you are upset daily by what goes on around you.
I would also second the advice about getting a SD.
Peace.

[Slave_of_the_Trinity]

[quote name='alicemary' post='980759' date='May 14 2006, 12:04 AM']
You must hold on to your believe that the Lord will truly lead you where HE wants you. As to entering an order with the intention of making drastic changes to the way things used to be, I believe will only bring you heartache. And more then likely that would not be a popular move and you might be asked to leave as a troublemaker.
You stated this is the first group that you met, well go meet some more!!! There are alot of orders out there, all with different habits, rules, and apostolates. Keep an open mind about the Baptistine sisters and spend more time with them. Maybe if you know what they are really about, an external like a modified habit will not seem so upsetting.
Slow down, have some fun with this and do some serious exploring.
Allicemary
[/quote]

This order isn't the same as the Baptistine Sisters. The order I'm talking about is called in German~ Johannesschwestern von Maria Konige or St. John Sisters of Mary the Queen. I have visited dozens of communitied all over from the Trinitarians of Mary to the Franciscan Sisters of Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Montenegro. I don't know, i gotta take this one step at a time that's for sure and I have to leave everything in the Hands of My Three.

[Sixtina87]

[quote name='zunshynn' post='980748' date='May 13 2006, 09:52 PM']
what do you mean they "won't be able to make a habit that is more traditional"?
[/quote]


ops my bad, i didn't mean to say more tradition, i think!!! What i meant was that they may not be able to make the traditional habit anymore since they changed their habit to be more modified, comming up with the pattern to make the traditional habit would be impossible since that pattern may have been thrown out!!!


HAVE TO GO TO MASS NOW!!!

GOD BLESS!!!

[Gemma]

[quote name='Sixtina87' post='980843' date='May 14 2006, 07:23 AM']
ops my bad, i didn't mean to say more tradition, i think!!! What i meant was that they may not be able to make the traditional habit anymore since they changed their habit to be more modified, comming up with the pattern to make the traditional habit would be impossible since that pattern may have been thrown out!!!
HAVE TO GO TO MASS NOW!!!

GOD BLESS!!!
[/quote]

The habit would be easy to make. I've seen it, I just have to go find the URL.

Blessings,
Gemma

[stlmom]

Hi, does this order have a website? The Sisters of St. John the Baptist site that I am familiar with was founded by an Italian priest. They have a habit that is similar to the DSP's, and they seem to be OK.

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='980546' date='May 13 2006, 05:06 PM']

Yes, you would be being naive if you were to think that you could change things. (and you know this)

Find a good order that will nurture and for you. Don't walk...RUN.

[/quote]

I'm joining an order that i am intent upon reforming. I cannot be a proper judge of your situation, but i do have reasonable belief that reform is possible.

I know first of all, that i am not responsible for those who are lax in their religious practice. They are intelligent and mature enough to make a decision, and God will hold them to it, they would however be to stubborn to listen to me.

But what is hopeful in my case, that as some are liberal, there are also some who are traditional, and many in between. (perhaps even conservatives that just lost there passion). There is no narrow minded liberals who scorn traditionalists. And many of the recent vocations are of the more traditional or orthodox sort.

I also, am taking a risk with my formation. I believe in my pre-religious formation, God has granted me many things, in my own reading and experiences. So i go, with prayers that i may continue in brave perserverence in formation if it may not always be up to God's standards.

I also am aware that those who are undergoing formation are also of the more traditional sort.

What does concern me though, is i get the impression of a hostility towards tradition. If that is the case, that does put this order into question. Is God giving you the strength to endure persecution. That is a form of cross, and believe me when liberals persecute the orthodox, they are only helping us in our holiness. Just as the pharisees persecuted Jesus, with their insistence on liberal innovations and creativity in divine and religious matters. But is that the kind of cross you are called to? I don't know.

SHALOM

[Slave_of_the_Trinity]

[quote name='MC IMaGiNaZUN' post='980926' date='May 14 2006, 01:21 PM']
I'm joining an order that i am intent upon reforming. I cannot be a proper judge of your situation, but i do have reasonable belief that reform is possible.

I know first of all, that i am not responsible for those who are lax in their religious practice. They are intelligent and mature enough to make a decision, and God will hold them to it, they would however be to stubborn to listen to me.

But what is hopeful in my case, that as some are liberal, there are also some who are traditional, and many in between. (perhaps even conservatives that just lost there passion). There is no narrow minded liberals who scorn traditionalists. And many of the recent vocations are of the more traditional or orthodox sort.

I also, am taking a risk with my formation. I believe in my pre-religious formation, God has granted me many things, in my own reading and experiences. So i go, with prayers that i may continue in brave perserverence in formation if it may not always be up to God's standards.

I also am aware that those who are undergoing formation are also of the more traditional sort.

What does concern me though, is i get the impression of a hostility towards tradition. If that is the case, that does put this order into question. Is God giving you the strength to endure persecution. That is a form of cross, and believe me when liberals persecute the orthodox, they are only helping us in our holiness. Just as the pharisees persecuted Jesus, with their insistence on liberal innovations and creativity in divine and religious matters. But is that the kind of cross you are called to? I don't know.

SHALOM
[/quote]


I pray that if it be the Most Holy Trinity's will for me to endure such persecutions than, Ecce Ancilla Domini! The sisters I guess aren't against tradition, but they have become acostumed to the reform that took place at their time. Like i said before, when we started to sing Latin for benediction the sisters started to sing them in the halls and while doing thier work. It was like they were refreshed by the reminded of their noviatiate days when the order was traditional. Maybe, God is calling me to reform this order, I don't know, but what ever My Three desires, i am His handmaid.

[srmarymichael]

[quote name='Slave_of_the_Trinity' post='980353' date='May 13 2006, 01:49 PM']

So here's my confusion, I love the way the sisters were before, the habit, Adoration, Tradition, but would it be naive of me to think that if I were to enter the order, all of that would come back? Should i enter because i fell in love with the way things were? I need your advice, especially from the Religious here...
[/quote]

My first reaction is that you cannot expect to change things there. The only way you could change things is if God called you to do that and He gave you bunches of miracles!

My second reaction is that [u]you have to do what is your gut feeling[/u]. The way you described the Community and why you liked it there -- I have a suspicion that there are several convents that you would also feel at home in with all that you were attracted to there, PLUS the habit, Eucharistic adoration, etc. etc. (in fact, I'm wondering how you could feel at home there without those things???? -- unless of course it's the grace of God calling you there).

Have you visited any other places? I would suggest that you visit some more Communities and see where God pulls your heart after that. You'll be in our Phatmass Prayers!

[Laudate_Dominum]

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[Slave_of_the_Trinity]

[quote name='srmarymichael' post='981058' date='May 14 2006, 05:10 PM']
My first reaction is that you cannot expect to change things there. The only way you could change things is if God called you to do that and He gave you bunches of miracles!

My second reaction is that [u]you have to do what is your gut feeling[/u]. The way you described the Community and why you liked it there -- I have a suspicion that there are several convents that you would also feel at home in with all that you were attracted to there, PLUS the habit, Eucharistic adoration, etc. etc. (in fact, I'm wondering how you could feel at home there without those things???? -- unless of course it's the grace of God calling you there).

Have you visited any other places? I would suggest that you visit some more Communities and see where God pulls your heart after that. You'll be in our Phatmass Prayers!
[/quote]


I really appreciate all of the prayers and advice that you have offered. I really owe you all for you have cleared up a lot of things for me. I have to go with my gut feeling on this and, i really believe that God wants me to go to Germany. I don't know why but I really feel like it may be His will. I know now that whatever He decides will be for His Greater Glory so I'm safe just leaving it in His Hands. Thanks again for all of your advice. :

[brandelynmarie]

I would continue to look at exactly what it is about the order that attracts you...& look elsewhere...If you are interested in cloistered communities...there is always the Pink Sisters...Holy Spirit Adoration Sisters they are called...But like so many others above me said...pray to the Holy Spirit! You'll be in our prayers as well...

[scardella]

I would tend to recommend that you don't necessarily give up on the order, just feel out other orders. If you still feel the same about that order, then it would appear that God is calling you to it. Remember that you will take a vow of obedience. That is no light thing, if the abbess/Mother Superior/etc. is not committed to orthodoxy.

[Slave_of_the_Trinity]

[quote name='scardella' post='987305' date='May 22 2006, 04:30 PM']
I would tend to recommend that you don't necessarily give up on the order, just feel out other orders. If you still feel the same about that order, then it would appear that God is calling you to it. Remember that you will take a vow of obedience. That is no light thing, if the abbess/Mother Superior/etc. is not committed to orthodoxy.
[/quote]


I know, one day Fr. John Hardon was giving a talk to a group here in Mich. and he was talking about the jesuit vow of obedience to the pope and some woman stood up and asked if they too should make the same vow. It was a harmless question but Fr. Hardon got upset and said immediately, no because a vow is not meant to be taken lightly because it is a promise to God Himself that must be abided even if the pope is bad. So, i know that my vow of obedience is not to be taken lightly at all.

[brandelynmarie]

Okay...here are 2 other Trintarian communities...Sisters of the Most Holy Trinity (in Cleveland, Ohio...but they are also in Europe) & The Trinitarians of Mary (near San Diego, California)...These are only suggestions & Orders that I thought you might want to take a look at... I think it is beautiful that you have a such a devotion to the Most Holy Trinity...Oh, there's also the SOLT Sisters...Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity...Peace & prayers! Brandelyn


[url="http://www.srstrinity.com"]http://www.srstrinity.com[/url]


[url="http://www.trinitariansofmary.com"]http://www.trinitariansofmary.com[/url]



[url="http://www.solt3.org"]http://www.solt3.org[/url]

Edited May 24, 2006 by brandelynmarie

[Slave_of_the_Trinity]

[quote name='brandelynmarie' post='989288' date='May 24 2006, 08:43 AM']
Okay...here are 2 other Trintarian communities...Sisters of the Most Holy Trinity (in Cleveland, Ohio...but they are also in Europe) & The Trinitarians of Mary (near San Diego, California)...These are only suggestions & Orders that I thought you might want to take a look at... I think it is beautiful that you have a such a devotion to the Most Holy Trinity...Oh, there's also the SOLT Sisters...Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity...Peace & prayers! Brandelyn
[url="http://www.srstrinity.com"]http://www.srstrinity.com[/url]
[url="http://www.trinitariansofmary.com"]http://www.trinitariansofmary.com[/url]
[url="http://www.solt3.org"]http://www.solt3.org[/url]
[/quote]

I have visited the Trinitarian Sisters of Mary in Mexico and I was accepted by Mother Lilie but things didnt work out for reasons that are yet unknown to me. I got a call from one of the sisters saying that i wasn't accepted, this was two months after i was in mexico. The Trinity didn't want me to enter there i guess. I did learn a lot when i was there, especially in the hours of Adoration. I have also checked out the other communities but... i don't know, i wasn't home there.

[brandelynmarie]

That's ok...all we can do is Ask! Seek! Knock! & we shall Find! Maybe you could apply to the Trinitarian Order you are interested in & see if you would be accepted there....My attitude has become, I'll keep looking...as doors open, I'll go through them...if they close...I'm not forcing them open...Peace, chica!

[Slave_of_the_Trinity]

[quote name='brandelynmarie' post='992778' date='May 30 2006, 10:41 AM']
That's ok...all we can do is Ask! Seek! Knock! & we shall Find! Maybe you could apply to the Trinitarian Order you are interested in & see if you would be accepted there....My attitude has become, I'll keep looking...as doors open, I'll go through them...if they close...I'm not forcing them open...Peace, chica!
[/quote]

Miles gracia! I thank you for your kind words and I will take them into consideration.