Hello Everyone

[homeschoolmom]

I think it was he who proclaimed himself outside.... again.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='prose' post='991752' date='May 28 2006, 02:50 AM']
I wasn't bashing non-catholics. I was just pointing out that EENS has always been outside of the church. In fact, it was he himself who asked for the "hello I don't rep the church" icon. That implies to me that he wasn't interested in being within the Church guidelines.

I think that traditional Catholics ARE part of the Church. I think, however, that EENS has always prided himself on NOT being in line with the Churches teachings.. I never even insinuated an excommunication insult.
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once again prose does not know what she is talking about. I never asked for the "hello i don't rep the church" tag.

Edited May 28, 2006 by Extra ecclesiam nulla salus

[Marieteresa]

Sam I just wanted to say welcome back

[XIX]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='991580' date='May 27 2006, 04:51 PM']
i knew this was going to happen..maybe phatmass should start being nicer to "rad trads". instead of treating them worse protestants and muslims.
[/quote]

[Lilllabettt]

Welcome back, Sam!

Jesus died that we need not be emo, and yet so many people are emo. One of my co-workers is a quasi-emo, and he is almost unbearable, even though he doesn't mean to be. Maybe a universal prayer needs to be tacked on to the Prayers of the Faithful: "That emo kids everywhere would, for our sakes and theirs, quit being emo, and know the joy that comes from total surrender to God, we pray to the Lord."

On a serious note, Sam, I want to tell you about a specific practice of the shepherding profession.

When a little sheep keeps wandering away from the flock, the responsible shepherd will go looking for it everytime. And when the sheep wanders away one time to many, then when the shepherd finds it, he breaks the sheep's legs.

Mean huh? Hold on a second.

For the next several months, the shepherd carries around the sheep on his back, while its broken legs heal. Then, when the little sheep is all better, and ready to walk on its own, it never wanders away again. In fact, it stays closer to the shepherd then all the other animals. Why? Because the sheep has gotten to know the shepherd so well, and to depend on the shepherd for everything.

Moral to the story: sometimes God needs to break our legs. It hurts, but its for the best.
Maybe God is breaking your legs.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

lol. i hope im not Emo!

[Lounge Daddy]

welcome back
and I like your Avatar

[brandelynmarie]

[b]When a little sheep keeps wandering away from the flock, the responsible shepherd will go looking for it everytime. And when the sheep wanders away one time to many, then when the shepherd finds it, he breaks the sheep's legs.


For the next several months, the shepherd carries around the sheep on his back, while its broken legs heal. Then, when the little sheep is all better, and ready to walk on its own, it never wanders away again. In fact, it stays closer to the shepherd then all the other animals. Why? Because the sheep has gotten to know the shepherd so well, and to depend on the shepherd for everything.[/b]


Ok, so that explains all the statues of shepherds with lambs across their shoulders! Now, I get it! Neat analogy...

[Ash Wednesday]

God has broken my legs many times.

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='991776' date='May 28 2006, 06:13 AM']
once again prose does not know what she is talking about. I never asked for the "hello i don't rep the church" tag.
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With the exception of now, having openly posted that you have left the Church completely.

In any case, don't be a stranger. Stick around.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='991879' date='May 28 2006, 02:50 PM']
welcome back
and I like your Avatar
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yeah, i'm kind of obcessed with the Godfather now.


[quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='991895' date='May 28 2006, 03:05 PM']
God has broken my legs many times.
With the exception of now, having openly posted that you have left the Church completely.

In any case, don't be a stranger. Stick around.
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i plan on staying.

[Birgitta Noel]

Umm, well, glad you're not a rad-Trad anymore. But seriously heartbroken that you're rejecting Christ's Church entirely and passing up on the Eucharist and His immense mercy and grace that He wants to shower down on you.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='991542' date='May 27 2006, 03:17 PM']
in fact, i've left the church. but at least you don't have to put up with my rad tradiness. [/quote]
Well sorry to hear that, on both accounts . Welcome back though.

[quote name='Akalyte' post='991580' date='May 27 2006, 04:51 PM']
i knew this was going to happen..maybe phatmass should start being nicer to "rad trads". instead of treating them worse protestants and muslims.
[/quote]

hmm, that certainly would be a welcome change around here

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

SAVE TOOKIE WILLIAMS! PLEASE GO www.tookie.com NOW FOR MORE INFORMATION. DON'T LET A REPENTANT MAN DIE! .

[goldenchild17]

Yep, though that was a long time ago I still stand by that decision. Not sure what that has to do with anything...

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[b][size=5]Whether it is lawful to kill sinners?[/size][/b]

[font="System"][size=4][color="#FF0000"]Objection 1[/color]. It would seem unlawful to kill men who have sinned. For our Lord in the parable (Matthew 13) forbade the uprooting of the cockle which denotes wicked men according to a gloss. Now whatever is forbidden by God is a sin. Therefore it is a sin to kill a sinner.

[color="#FF0000"]Objection 2. [/color]Further, human justice is conformed to Divine justice. Now according to Divine justice sinners are kept back for repentance, according to Ezech. 33:11, "I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live." Therefore it seems altogether unjust to kill sinners.

[color="#FF0000"]Objection 3.[/color] Further, it is not lawful, for any good end whatever, to do that which is evil in itself, according to Augustine (Contra Mendac. vii) and the Philosopher (Ethic. ii, 6). Now to kill a man is evil in itself, since we are bound to have charity towards all men, and "we wish our friends to live and to exist," according to Ethic. ix, 4. Therefore it is nowise lawful to kill a man who has sinned.

[color="#FF0000"]On the contrary,[/color] It is written (Exodus 22:18): "Wizards thou shalt not suffer to live"; and (Psalm 100:8): "In the morning I put to death all the wicked of the land."

[color="#FF0000"]I answer that, [/color]As stated above (1), it is lawful to kill dumb animals, in so far as they are naturally directed to man's use, as the imperfect is directed to the perfect. Now every part is directed to the whole, as imperfect to perfect, wherefore every part is naturally for the sake of the whole. For this reason we observe that if the health of the whole body demands the excision of a member, through its being decayed or infectious to the other members, it will be both praiseworthy and advantageous to have it cut away. Now every individual person is compared to the whole community, as part to whole. Therefore if a man be dangerous and infectious to the community, on account of some sin, it is praiseworthy and advantageous that he be killed in order to safeguard the common good, since "a little leaven corrupteth the whole lump" (1 Corinthians 5:6).
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Reply to Objection 1.[/color] Our Lord commanded them to forbear from uprooting the cockle in order to spare the wheat, i.e. the good. This occurs when the wicked cannot be slain without the good being killed with them, either because the wicked lie hidden among the good, or because they have many followers, so that they cannot be killed without danger to the good, as Augustine says (Contra Parmen. iii, 2). Wherefore our Lord teaches that we should rather allow the wicked to live, and that vengeance is to be delayed until the last judgment, rather than that the good be put to death together with the wicked. When, however, the good incur no danger, but rather are protected and saved by the slaying of the wicked, then the latter may be lawfully put to death.

[color="#FF0000"]Reply to Objection 2.[/color] According to the order of His wisdom, God sometimes slays sinners forthwith in order to deliver the good, whereas sometimes He allows them time to repent, according as He knows what is expedient for His elect. This also does human justice imitate according to its powers; for it puts to death those who are dangerous to others, while it allows time for repentance to those who sin without grievously harming others.

[color="#FF0000"]Reply to Objection 3.[/color] By sinning man departs from the order of reason, and consequently falls away from the dignity of his manhood, in so far as he is naturally free, and exists for himself, and he falls into the slavish state of the beasts, by being disposed of according as he is useful to others. This is expressed in Ps. 48:21: "Man, when he was in honor, did not understand; he hath been compared to senseless beasts, and made like to them," and Prov. 11:29: "The fool shall serve the wise." Hence, although it be evil in itself to kill a man so long as he preserve his dignity, yet it may be good to kill a man who has sinned, even as it is to kill a beast. For a bad man is worse than a beast, and is more harmful, as the Philosopher states (Polit. i, 1 and Ethic. vii, 6).[/size][/font]

[zwergel88]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='992479' date='May 29 2006, 04:42 PM']
SAVE TOOKIE WILLIAMS! PLEASE GO www.tookie.com NOW FOR MORE INFORMATION. DON'T LET A REPENTANT MAN DIE! .
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Dude, its a little late for that, although I was saying the same thing. I even wrote letters to Schwartzenegger telling him to comute William's sentence. I hate the death penalty.

[zunshynn]

EENS!? The Church needs you though! Prayers.

But what exactly do you mean you left the Church entirely? Do you not believe in it? Are you still Christian.

Ignore me if I'm being intrusive. I'm just puzzled.

I really do pray you find peace...

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

i still believe. im just a little lapsed.

[zunshynn]

Confession is pretty good about fixing that...

[brandelynmarie]

and ENCS....you are still here on phatmass! There is something to be said for that!