Is Benedict XVI contradicting Pius X & Leo XIII?

[Socrates]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='995151' date='Jun 1 2006, 08:03 PM']
That has nothing to do with Church Law.
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Never said it did - I was simply clarifying a point.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

Condemned Statments from the Syllabus of Errors:

"in the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship." (No. 77)

"the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church." (No. 55)

"every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true." (No. 15) and that "it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship." (No. 78)

[quote name='Socrates' post='995152' date='Jun 1 2006, 10:04 PM']
Never said it did - I was simply clarifying a point.
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sorry.

i just don't like when Catholics (I'm not saying you) use the Constitution to justify relegious freedom

[Justified Saint]

"Is Benedict XVI contradicting Pius X & Leo XIII?"

Probably, so what is your point?

On the topic of Church and State, we ought to consider T.S. Eliot's insight -- that the tolerated Christian minority may have it worse off than the persecuted Christian who is outlawed by the State.

[brendan1104]

[quote name='Justified Saint' post='997096' date='Jun 5 2006, 12:49 AM']
"Is Benedict XVI contradicting Pius X & Leo XIII?"

Probably, so what is your point?

On the topic of Church and State, we ought to consider T.S. Eliot's insight -- that the tolerated Christian minority may have it worse off than the persecuted Christian who is outlawed by the State.
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This "Justified Saint" has got to be a Lutheran. His signature is from Luther, his avatar is Luther. Someone 'phishy' him. If I am still a phishy for being a faithful Catholic, then this heretical schismatic apostate deserves a label too.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Actually (despite the name/signature), Justified Saint is a brilliant defender of the faith and I'm glad he's come back to Phatmass.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='brendan1104' post='998870' date='Jun 6 2006, 04:25 PM']
This "Justified Saint" has got to be a Lutheran. His signature is from Luther, his avatar is Luther. Someone 'phishy' him. If I am still a phishy for being a faithful Catholic, then this heretical schismatic apostate deserves a label too.
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You don't get the "Phishy" label (now "Seperated Bretheren") for being a faithful Catholic. If you're going to accuse someone of being unfaithful to the teachings of the Church, back it up with more than a sig line and an avatar (having neither of which violates any Church teaching).

[Justified Saint]

[quote name='brendan1104' post='998870' date='Jun 6 2006, 04:25 PM']
This "Justified Saint" has got to be a Lutheran. His signature is from Luther, his avatar is Luther. Someone 'phishy' him. If I am still a phishy for being a faithful Catholic, then this heretical schismatic apostate deserves a label too.
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For the record that is a picture of Pascal NOT Luther. That looks nothing like Luther. LOL

And yes, the signature is from Luther -- again do you have a point?

[quote name='thedude' post='998893' date='Jun 6 2006, 05:42 PM']
Actually (despite the name/signature), Justified Saint is a brilliant defender of the faith and I'm glad he's come back to Phatmass.
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Me, a "brillant defender?" How flattering, surely you jest!

[Guest Rick777]

Hmm....Why would you want to quote him?! Inquiring minds want to know.

[Justified Saint]

Well, it doesn't have much to do with Luther I imagine -- I just like the quote

I could change the sig author to anonymous since Luther probably never said it, but I like the provocation And it sounds a lot better than "heretical schismatic apostate".