The USS Liberty: 100% Proof that Israel should be

[Desert Walker]

The following is chilling. And I have never heard about this, nor have many Americans, because it was deliberatley covered up by the Executive Branch.

Many of our government officials, former and current, are guilty of high treason, and should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We are ruled by enemies of this constitutional republic. BELIEVE IT NOW!


[b]On June 8, 1967 while patrolling in international waters[2] in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was savagely attacked without warning or justification by air and naval forces of the state of Israel.[3]

Of a crew of 294 officers and men[4] (including three civilians)[5], the ship suffered thirty four (34) killed in action and one hundred seventy three (173) wounded in action.[6] The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state of the art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, was so badly damaged that it never sailed on an operational mission again and was sold in 1970 for $101,666.66 as scrap[7] .

Israel acknowledged the following facts without qualification:

a. USS Liberty was an American ship, hence a neutral vis-à-vis the June 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbors.[8]b. USS Liberty remained in international waters at all times on June 8, 1967[9] .c. The attacking Israeli forces never made a positive identification of the nationality of USS Liberty before unleashing deadly force in their attack on the ship.[10]
At approximately 0600 hours (all times local) on the morning of June 8, 1967 an Israeli maritime reconnaissance aircraft observer reported seeing "a US Navy cargo type ship," just outside the coverage of the Israeli coastal radar defense net, bearing the hull markings "GTR-5".[11] This report, made to Israeli naval HQ, was also forwarded immediately to the Israeli navy intelligence directorate.[12]

Throughout the remainder of the day prior to the attack, Israeli reconnaissance aircraft regularly flew out to USS Liberty’s position and orbited the ship before returning to their bases in Israel. A total of no fewer than eight (8) such flights were made.[13]

At approximately 1050 hours, the naval observer from the early morning reconnaissance flight arrived at Israeli air force HQ and sat down with the air-naval liaison officer there. The two officers consulted Janes’ Fighting Ships and learned that the ship reported earlier in the day was USS Liberty, a United States Navy technical research ship.[14]

From 0900 hours on June 8, 1967, until the time of the attack five hours later, USS Liberty maintained a speed of approximately five knots and a generally westerly-northwesterly course.[15]

At 1400 hours, while approximately 17 miles off the Gaza coast, USS Liberty’s crew observed three surface radar contacts closing with their position at high speed. A few moments later, the bridge radar crew observed high speed aircraft passing over the surface returns on the same heading.[16]

Within a few short moments, and without any warning, Israeli fighter aircraft launched a rocket attack on USS Liberty. The aircraft made repeated firing passes, attacking USS Liberty with rockets and their internal cannons. After the first flight of fighter aircraft had exhausted their ordnance, subsequent flights of Israeli fighter aircraft continued to prosecute the attack with rockets, cannon fire, and napalm. [17]

During the air attack, USS Liberty’s crew had difficulty contacting Sixth Fleet to request assistance due to intense communications jamming[18][/b]

[jezic]

by this very same logic, a country who has been attacked should hold the offending country as an enemy forever. The us would be in trouble if this were the case.

ANother thing is that the media was not as obnoxious about bad news during this time period and so they weren't looking for every possible episode that they could exploit and make a mountain out of a molehill.

[Desert Walker]

[url="http://www.ussliberty.org/"]http://www.ussliberty.org/[/url]

The Israeli military's unofficial tradition is a brutal disregard for human life. From its inception, the state of Israel has used military force to expand its sphere of power. OUR government has given Israel a blank check of several billions of dollars to fund its military and make it invincible.

Our government's friendship with Israel has necessitated that our culture come to think that Islam is PURE EVIL. Islam stands in the way of Israeli supremecy in the Middle-East. Most US politicians know this is FACT. They can't publicly admit it for fear of losing their positions of influence. The Israel Lobby is the most powerful in Washington.

This is why the USS Liberty attack was covered up. Because Israel's rogue military is defended by its government, and the Israeli government controls OUR government.

[jezic]

Israel is not invincible.

If you think the Israeli lobby is the most powerful, what about the overwhelming number of laws that favor big businesses (or rich people)?

[Desert Walker]

[quote name='jezic' post='994477' date='Jun 1 2006, 07:52 AM']
Israel is not invincible.[/quote]

As long as we are behind them in whatever they do, that nation is not vulnerable to elimination or effective retaliation by ANY nation in the mid-east.

[quote]If you think the Israeli lobby is the most powerful, what about the overwhelming number of laws that favor big businesses (or rich people)?
[/quote]

Can't you realize that they're one and the same?

[Kilroy the Ninja]

So, your point is what? We should not back Israel, but we should back Islam?

[Desert Walker]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' post='994524' date='Jun 1 2006, 08:49 AM']
So, your point is what? We should not back Israel, but we should back Islam?
[/quote]

Yes. Islam is under attack unjustly. This is a world-wide, geo-political initiative. What's the purpose you might ask? Well, most of the Arab nations are not as controllable as the globalists would prefer. They could all make MORE money if Islam's influence in that part of the world were ended. Israel is at the forefront of that push, on the front lines so to speak. They are after all geographically PART of that region.

The Israeli state was created without LEGAL foundation for doing so. THERE WAS NO PROPERTY RIGHT IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD WHICH COULD HAVE JUSTIFIED THE CREATION OF A SOVEREIGN STATE FOR EUROPEAN JEWISH REFUGEES.

It was a geo-political FRAUD.

[MichaelF]

.....except that Zionist Jews, and many Jews who had lived in the Holy Land even after the Diaspora, -owned- most of the arable land. They turned a chunk of it from desert to cropland (the Negev in particular).

Israel is also the -only- stable Democratic nation in the Middle East. That alone is enough to justify backing them.

It's also a lot easier to build a Church in Tel Aviv than it is to build one in Amman (by that, I mean building one in Amman is -impossible-).

[OLAM Dad]

Coverup?

The captain of the ship was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the attack. The ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation.

[Charms717RM1]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='994734' date='Jun 1 2006, 02:07 PM']
Coverup?

The captain of the ship was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the attack. The ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation.
[/quote]

Ooo, ouch- the conspiracy theorist just got fish slapped



*waits for a comeback*

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Just wanted to make very clear what your agenda is Desertwalker.


Good luck with that whole sympathy to Islam thing.

[Winchester]

God's chosen people......followers of a polygamist military leader
God's chosen people......followers of a polygamist military leader


Gee, I'm not sure which.



Seriously, anti-Semitism and the various branches of that tree are common in conspiracy theory. Certainly Israel is not perfect, but to say Islam is under unjust attack is ridiculous.


Has anyone noticed how often I use the word "certainly?"

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='994734' date='Jun 1 2006, 12:07 PM']
Coverup?

The captain of the ship was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the attack. The ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation.
[/quote]

Well, you know how incompetent the CIA is. Amazing that anyone was able to keep thier job after documenting something that was supposed to be covered up.

[musturde]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' post='994524' date='Jun 1 2006, 09:49 AM']
So, your point is what? We should not back Israel, but we should back Islam?
[/quote]

If we had never backed either and stayed out of the Middle East to begin with, 9/11 would not have happened (that's about an 89% chance). Israel should not have been made like it was. They were in the wrong. The US should back Israel up now since the whole Middle East hates them (as it [b]should[/b] for disturbing the peace in the area). However, I see Israel as the better side than the Palestinians at this point. I hope they obtain peace somehow (impossible since Palestinians want soo much of the land).

[Desert Walker]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='994734' date='Jun 1 2006, 01:07 PM']
Coverup?

The captain of the ship was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the attack. The ship was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation.
[/quote]

You need to go to the official web site of that event. It was a coverup.

To accuse me of enti-semitism because I criticize a government, is quite similar to accusing me of hating pizza because I don't like peperonni (which isn't true btw).

Just becaue a government carries the label "Israeli" doesn't mean it isn't NON-MOSAIC.

[cmotherofpirl]

Conspiracy threads really have grown along with the internet.

[Jnorm888]

I think Isreal was at war in 1967 with 2 or 3 Muslim countries.



Stuff like that happens in war.





You seem to have an unhealthy fear of Jews. You should love Jews and you should be an alley of the Jewish nation....ISREAL.


Jews have been givin a hard time by Roman Catholics, Lutherians and Anglicans.


The Jews need a place of their own because people who call themselves christian don't know how to act like one in front of Jews.

Or behind their backs




INLOVE Jnorm

[Nathan]

Michael Coren's latest TORONTO SUN column seems fitting here...

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WHY CUPE'S BOYCOTT IS SHAMEFUL

By Michael Coren

A message to all CUPE members. Your Ontario region has passed an anti-Israel motion that has made your union internationally notorious. It is so extreme, shrill and one-sided that CUPE is now more opposed to Israel than Fatah, President Mahmoud Abbas and several Arab governments.

The vote was held on a Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, and thus no observant Jew could even be present.

If they had been there they might have given a basic history lesson to the assembled comrades. The Jewish state, Israel, came into existence more than 1300 years before the birth of Jesus Christ and 2000 years before Islam existed.

The Jewish people have lived in the country for more than 3000 years and resisted Greeks, Persians, Syrians, Romans and legions of other tyrants. They will resist CUPE Ontario as well.

There never was a Palestine. After the Romans murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews and destroyed entire cities they attempted to expunge any trace of Jews and Judaism from Israel. Thus they renamed the land after the ancient Philistines, a people who had creased to exist.

Modern Arabs who call themselves Palestinians certainly have a valid claim to justice and peace but their ties to Israel are relatively recent. Their claims to Jerusalem have even less historical justification. It was the capital of the Jewish state for 3300 years and when it was relatively briefly in Jordanian hands no Arab leader came to visit it.

Nor did many Jews. They were not allowed to make pilgrimages to their holy places and some of the most sacred Jewish shrines were purposely desecrated by their Muslim occupiers.

Contrast this with modern Israel, where millions of Christians and Muslims visit each year and are treated with the utmost respect and protection.

Indeed, Muslims often have more freedom of worship in Israel than they do in many of the 22 Muslim states that currently exist, very few of which boast even basic human rights. Nor do the Arab Muslim countries boast many Jews.

More than a million Jewish citizens, most of whom had lived in these nations for centuries and in the case of Iraq and others pre-dated the rise of Islam, were forcibly removed after the resurrection of Israel in 1948.

There has been no compensation for these victims and organizations such as CUPE seem unaware that they exist.

Israel welcomed them, assimilated them and gave them freedoms they had not experienced in their former homes.

Considerably fewer Palestinians, around 630,000, left Israel in 1948. They did so because of fear, military defeat and propaganda. Sometimes the fear was justified, and there were undoubtedly cases of injustice and violence for which many in Israel have apologized on numerous occasions.

This was, however, in the middle of a war in which the tiny Jewish state was threatened by all of its surrounding Arab neighbours. It should also be remembered that hundreds of thousands of Arabs opted to remain in the new Israel and now number more than 16% of the Israeli population.

They have full voting rights, several members of the Israeli parliament, full access to the law and public education, freedom of movement and expression and a higher standard of living than most Arabs who live in the Arab dictatorships. Numerous polls show that if offered citizenship of any Arab country, they would decline and retain their Israeli nationality.

Israel has withdrawn from Gaza, Israel has made peace with Egypt and Jordan. Israel has returned more than 80% of the land it inherited when it dared to win wars against invading Arab armies and Israel reluctantly built a fence, not a wall, to protect its children from crazed religious fanatics who lust for innocent blood. Israel, by the way, is also the only country in the region with free, independent and multicultural unions.

In the Arab nations across the border, strikers are beaten and genuine unions are illegal. Rise up good men and women of CUPE and tell your leaders to represent and not shame you.

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[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='Desert Walker' post='995466' date='Jun 2 2006, 09:16 AM']
You need to go to the official web site of that event. It was a coverup.

To accuse me of enti-semitism because I criticize a government, is quite similar to accusing me of hating pizza because I don't like peperonni (which isn't true btw).

Just becaue a government carries the label "Israeli" doesn't mean it isn't NON-MOSAIC.
[/quote]

The official web site of the event?

You mean the web-site put up by the organizers of the attack?

[MichaelF]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='995974' date='Jun 3 2006, 12:15 AM']
The official web site of the event?

You mean the web-site put up by the organizers of the attack?
[/quote]

This attack sponsored by PEPSI!