Is FUS Traditional/Charismatic or what?

[Fides_et_Ratio]

the Charismaticness of FUS is hard to get away from... it was one of my major reasons for transferring (in addition to super crappy dorm/living situations).

St. Peter's was okay, but it wasn't my favorite either.

It really is a subjective thing, your friend should take a college visit (at least 2 days) and just check it out to get an idea of whether or not he/she could handle the FUS dynamic.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1010985' date='Jun 23 2006, 02:04 PM']
Quick question: were the Gideon "green books" (mentioned above) protestant translations of the Bible?

Just curious...
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Yes, but not the whole thing. It was the NT and Psalms.

Edited June 23, 2006 by Raphael

[Fides_et_Ratio]

oh.. to add,

All the above said... I LOVED the Philosophy department at Steubie. Dr. Healy was a bit dry sometimes, but every professor in that department is qualified and extremely knowledgeable.

And I only had beef with one theology professor who shall remain nameless as he is also a priest.

I was sad to leave the academics of FUS, but I just couldn't concentrate while I was there.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MichaelF' post='1007856' date='Jun 18 2006, 04:19 PM']
Question for those at FUS:

I've heard that the Charismatic movement has "taken over" the spiritual life of FUS. I've also heard that it is not present in any major way.

In what way is this accurate, and what does everyone -mean- by "Charismatic"? It seems to be a catchall term for everything from LifeTeen to Glossolalia...

One of my old teammates is set to attend this Fall, and he does not care for the Charismatic style of worship (he's Ruthenian).

Thanks
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As a Byzantine Christian I avoided the various liturgical and paraliturgical celebrations on campus, mainly because I was turned off by the charismatic elements that were present in them, but also because I am not a member of the Roman Rite. Now since your friend is a Ruthenian (Byzantine) Catholic he should attend the divine liturgy at one of the local Byzantine Churches, because that is the "traditional" liturgy for him, and not the Mass of the Roman Rite (whether pre or post Vatican II).

[ironman]

Charasmatic is not a movement......it's been in the Church since the beginning...AKA "Pentecost"

[crystalblujay]

just out of curiosity... when you talked about the "scandelous chapel", are you talking about the Port? and if so, how is it so scandelous... i guess i dont understand...

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='crystalblujay' post='1013179' date='Jun 27 2006, 01:53 PM']
just out of curiosity... when you talked about the "scandelous chapel", are you talking about the Port? and if so, how is it so scandelous... i guess i dont understand...
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I'm sure that was a reference to Christ the King Chapel.

[quote name='ironman' post='1012756' date='Jun 26 2006, 09:53 PM']
Charasmatic is not a movement......it's been in the Church since the beginning...AKA "Pentecost"
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I don't think that's accurate...otherwise, there wouldn't be all this talk among the movement about a "second pentecost." It simply would have been the same from the beginning. It may be associated with Pentecost, but to say that it's what Pentecost was all about is incorrect...if that were the case, every member of the faithful would have charismatic gifts.

Edited June 27, 2006 by Raphael

[crystalblujay]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1013189' date='Jun 27 2006, 12:09 PM']
I'm sure that was a reference to Christ the King Chapel.
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ok... so how is Christ the King Chapel scandalous then?

[XIX]

I'm still a little incredulous about the idea that Steubenville is not known for its orthodoxy. Oh well.

Granted I've only spent all of 48 hours on a Steubie campus for a retreat, but it was about the strongest shot of orthodoxy I've ever been blessed to receive. Maybe it was a tie. And I've been in a pro-life group, a few Adoration parishes, a Rosary group, a few retreats including Mount 2000 and Beyond, prayer meetings, First Friday all-night vigils, theatre ministry, etc...Steubenville is about as hardcore as orthodoxy gets.

[Seven77]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1013189' date='Jun 27 2006, 12:09 PM']
I don't think that's accurate...otherwise, there wouldn't be all this talk among the movement about a "second pentecost." It simply would have been the same from the beginning. It may be associated with Pentecost, but to say that it's what Pentecost was all about is incorrect...if that were the case, every member of the faithful would have charismatic gifts.
[/quote]

Charismatic element has been there since Pentecost. This 'second Pentecost' must be understood as renewal. Renewal of what is already there. Every Catholic is given charisms. You may have the gift of prophecy and not even know it.

As for the post title, I truly believe one can be both traditional and charismatic at the same time. Read the poems of St. Ephrem or the writings of St. Francis.

The Church is Hierarchical and Charismatic.

[Oik]

Seven77,

The Charismatic movement holds that thier spirituality has been present since biblical times, that in fact it is part of the Church. This is inconsistant.

The Church is Hierarchical and Charismatic:

What the Church, both East and West means by Charismatic is not a specific type of Spirituality or set of devotion(s). What is meant by Charismatic is the traditional understanding of the Charisms and the fruits and gifts of the Spirit.

Now, to be fair, there is little wrong with [i]associating[/i] the 'gifts' of the Charismatic renewal with the Fruits and Gifts of the Spirit. [i]Equating[/i] the two is inaccurate.

Look at it this way. The Church is Hierarchical meaning God set it up, through the Apostles to have a Sarced Order of Bishops and Priests (and shortly after, Deacons). This is part of the Apostolic Faith. The Charismatic movement is not. Neither is Ignatian, Dominican Spirituality, or Franciscan Spirituality (or Benedictine, etc. etc.).

Edited June 28, 2006 by Oik

[OLAM Dad]

My experience with FUS is limited to a single 3 day weekend attending a bible seminar. That experience definitely ruled out FUS as a school that I would strongly encourage my kids to attend.

Why? The biggest turn off for me was that during Mass the guy leading the rock band (maybe folk would be more accurate) kept ejaculating into his microphone all throughout Mass. He would say things like 'Praise Jesus' and 'Thank you, Jesus'. It was very distracting and I thought the priest was going to throw the paten at him at one point.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='1014123' date='Jun 28 2006, 07:33 PM']
My experience with FUS is limited to a single 3 day weekend attending a bible seminar. That experience definitely ruled out FUS as a school that I would strongly encourage my kids to attend.

Why? The biggest turn off for me was that during Mass the guy leading the rock band (maybe folk would be more accurate) kept ejaculating into his microphone all throughout Mass. He would say things like 'Praise Jesus' and 'Thank you, Jesus'. It was very distracting and I thought the priest was going to throw the paten at him at one point.
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As odd as the Masses can get, that's pretty isolated. I've never seen anything like that happen. Although they do like to do "tongues prayer" during pauses in Mass parts.

Anyway, I recommend sending students here for the orthodox teaching in the classrooms. If you want a good liturgy, there are plenty of people who go to St. Peter's daily.

[quote name='crystalblujay' post='1013424' date='Jun 27 2006, 09:44 PM']
ok... so how is Christ the King Chapel scandalous then?
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It doesn't fit at all with the traditions of Church architecture, for starters. Additionally, it was originally designed for different purposes.

[OLAM Dad]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1014133' date='Jun 28 2006, 07:00 PM']
As odd as the Masses can get, that's pretty isolated.
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That's good to know. Seriously. I really like the Orthodoxy at FUS. If I had to choose between good theology and good liturgy I would choose good theology and go elsewhere, as you suggest, for the liturgy.

[XIX]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='1014123' date='Jun 28 2006, 05:33 PM']
My experience with FUS is limited to a single 3 day weekend attending a bible seminar. That experience definitely ruled out FUS as a school that I would strongly encourage my kids to attend.

Why? The biggest turn off for me was that during Mass the guy leading the rock band (maybe folk would be more accurate) kept ejaculating into his microphone all throughout Mass. He would say things like 'Praise Jesus' and 'Thank you, Jesus'. It was very distracting and I thought the priest was going to throw the paten at him at one point.
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At least the priest was annoyed.

[Franimus]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='1014123' date='Jun 28 2006, 07:33 PM']
My experience with FUS is limited to a single 3 day weekend attending a bible seminar. That experience definitely ruled out FUS as a school that I would strongly encourage my kids to attend.

Why? The biggest turn off for me was that during Mass the guy leading the rock band (maybe folk would be more accurate) kept ejaculating into his microphone all throughout Mass. He would say things like 'Praise Jesus' and 'Thank you, Jesus'. It was very distracting and I thought the priest was going to throw the paten at him at one point.
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yeah i don't like that either.. i just sit (or kneel or stand) there and grit my teeth... I'm a soundtech for Mass, and so far i've been lucky to not have a music group that does that.. I try to go to the noon Masses because, since they're cramped for time, they don't do that usually (it's usually during the Great Amen).
Personally, I don't even go to FUS for the academics. For me, FUS is like a spiritual party school. I'm not even majoring in any sort of theology, but it is still a reason I'm going there. I want some basic theological/philosophical courses/background, and know that at FUS I'm going to get the right stuff, and not from some pseudocatholic or noncatholic at another school. I'm going to FUS to give me a foundation on which I will be able to live the rest of my life for Christ, and not against Him. I mostly get this foundation from living on campus, having good friends, being in an amazing household, etc.


To get back to the primary topic, I'd say FUS is a mix of traditionalists and charismatics, but mostly charismatic. Keep in mind that you're going to notice charismatics more than tradionalists just by the nature of charismatics. Personally, I'm on the traditional side, as you'll rarely, if ever, see me raise my hands, and you'll pretty much never hear me praying charismatically (a verse comes to mind: "Do not babble as the pagans do" I know it's speaking about something slightly different, but imo it still applies to some forms of charismatic prayer. As I heard someone say, I think at a manhood or fatherhood talk or something, Jesus doesn't need you to tell him how great He is, or that you're praising Him. He sometimes wants you to just listen)
I hate to talk about mostly bad things, but there once was a guy who, in the middle of the homily, shouted "THAT'S NOT TRUE! .................sorry" when the priest was talking about women in Isreal..
On a good note, though, it is pretty easy to talk to anyone there about Catholic things...

[Seven77]

[quote name='Oik' post='1014101' date='Jun 28 2006, 04:45 PM']
Seven77,

The Charismatic movement holds that thier spirituality has been present since biblical times, that in fact it is part of the Church. This is inconsistant.

The Church is Hierarchical and Charismatic:

What the Church, both East and West means by Charismatic is not a specific type of Spirituality or set of devotion(s). What is meant by Charismatic is the traditional understanding of the Charisms and the fruits and gifts of the Spirit.

Now, to be fair, there is little wrong with [i]associating[/i] the 'gifts' of the Charismatic renewal with the Fruits and Gifts of the Spirit. [i]Equating[/i] the two is inaccurate.


[/quote]

Oik,

you are quite right--- is not a specific type of Spirituality rather it is 'understanding of the Charisms and the fruits and gifts of the Spirit'... thus, present since Acts.

[zealousrap]

I haven't read through this whole thing but here is my 2 cents.

I have a problem with people that come to FUS and take the charismatic movement for what it is not. People that invest only in the magic feelings. I know of story after story of people that come to FUS, built their faith on the glitter, and graduate...once they find that their parish doesn't give them that emotional warm feelings, they leave the church. And that's because they missed the point. I personally can appreciate the charismatic movement, though I haven't recieved the gifts of the Spirit. I am more of a person that balances charismatic prayer and silent contemplative prayer.

I Kings 19:11-12
Then the LORD said, "Go outside and stand on the mountain before the LORD; the LORD will be passing by." A strong and heavy wind was rending the mountains and crushing rocks before the LORD--but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake--but the LORD was not in the earthquake.
After the earthquake there was fire--but the LORD was not in the fire. After the fire there was a tiny whispering sound.

It is in the silence that God speaks to us...

"Changing places is not the answer.

Changing occupations is not the answer.
The answer is to change our hearts.

And how do we change?
By praying.

Prayer is joy
prayer is love
prayer is peace.
You cannot explain it
you must experience prayer.
It is not impossible.
God gives it for the asking.
"Ask and you shall receive."

The beginning of prayer is silence...God speaking
in the silence of the heart. And then we start talking to God
from the fullness of the heart. And he listens.
The beginning of prayer is scripture...we listen to
God speaking. And then we begin to speak to him again
from the fullness of our heart. And he listens.
That is really prayer. Both sides listening and both sides
speaking."
-Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta


also, at the same time, the first apostles were charismatic.

Acts 2:1-4
When the time for Pentecost was fulfilled, they were all in one place together.
And suddenly there came from the sky a noise like a strong driving wind, 2 and it filled the entire house in which they were.
Then there appeared to them tongues as of fire, 3 which parted and came to rest on each one of them.
And they were all filled with the holy Spirit and began to speak in different tongues, 4 as the Spirit enabled them to proclaim.


I think there is nothing wrong with the charismatic movement if you take it the right way. There should be a balance....

[Seven77]

[quote name='zealousrap' post='1015200' date='Jun 30 2006, 11:35 AM']
I haven't read through this whole thing but here is my 2 cents.

I have a problem with people that come to FUS and take the charismatic movement for what it is not.
[...]

I think there is nothing wrong with the charismatic movement if you take it the right way. There should be a balance....
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right Zealous. balance is key. let us not 'throw the baby out w/the bathwater'.

[dspen2005]

i'm more of a christendom kinda guy