uruviel Posted July 21, 2006 Posted July 21, 2006 See, you can put whatever your patron Saint is, or just your favorite saint, a saint you have a devotion to, but I think JMJ is most beautiful.
fearundercontrol Posted July 21, 2006 Posted July 21, 2006 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1027355' date='Jul 19 2006, 07:21 PM'] Maybe it stands for their lastname. Whatever the surname of the Holy Family was.. I forget.. Jesus, Mary and Joseph Turner? Except I realize their surname wasn't Turner.. Gosh.. what was it? j/k [/quote] They didn't have last names then.
onlygrace08 Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 [quote name='uruviel' post='1028268' date='Jul 21 2006, 11:37 AM'] really? [/quote] Nope! they would just say "so-and-so of someplace" like Jesus of Nazareth or St. Anthony of Padua God Bless Anna
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Yup That is why in the Gospels, Jesus is always specifically addressed as Jesus of Nazareth... that is his name. If he was married, It would be different...
uruviel Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 OH. I get it now. Things were so much simplier back then!
puellapaschalis Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Consider also that back in the days before surnames became the fixed identities that we think of today, not only people but family lines didn't change careers much either. Sons learnt their fathers' trade. I believe in England at least the only real shift in this trend came with the industrial revolution, when urbanisation took place and large numbers of people left their previous work behind to take up jobs in factories. By that time surnames had become much more "fixed" as we understand it - only the consistency in [i]spelling[/i] wasn't quite there yet. As a piece of trivia, in the Netherlands no-one had surnames until this part of the world fell to Napoleon. Apparantly in France at that time everyone already had surnames, and someone saw fit that the uncivilised barbarians living in the northern marshlands should do too Love and prayers, PP
puellapaschalis Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 [quote name='OLAM Dad' post='1028860' date='Jul 22 2006, 09:04 PM'] PP, Aren't you a Brit? [/quote] I am indeed! Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory and all that. PP
OLAM Dad Posted July 22, 2006 Author Posted July 22, 2006 Land of Hope and Glory? Really? I've not heard that before.
puellapaschalis Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 [quote name='OLAM Dad' post='1028913' date='Jul 22 2006, 11:39 PM'] Land of Hope and Glory? Really? I've not heard that before. [/quote] Land of hope and glory, Mother of the free, how shall we extol thee, who are born of thee? Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set, God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet! God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet! Generally sung on occasions of informal, civilised and rowdy patriotism. A good example is the last night of the Proms. Occasions when the Queen's present don't count because they're neither formal nor rowdy (most of the time). International football matches don't count because they're not civilised. Love and prayers, PP
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