KnightofChrist Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 [quote name='stephen' post='1030981' date='Jul 26 2006, 12:04 AM'] It most certainly is the fault of the Israelis if they drop bombs in civilian populated areas. You seem to have your religion mixed up. You see, it's rabbinic Judaism which allows for the indiscriminate killing of civilians in military operations. [url="http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/legal/psak5766Sivan24b.html"]http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/legal/psak5766Sivan24b.html[/url] [/quote] How can I see something thats only in your head? If terroist hide in civilian populated areas, and Israel is force to attack those terrorist then it is the terrorist flaut when civilians die. [quote name='stephen' post='1030981' date='Jul 26 2006, 12:04 AM'] But, you see, the Catholic Church is absolutely opposed to such a thing. That's why Pope Benedict condemned the Israeli's actions and stated that they're unjustified: [url="http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060716/3/2n7xz.html"]http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060716/3/2n7xz.html[/url] [/quote] I love the pope dont try to divide me and my Holy Father, are you even Catholic, to USE the Holy Father for you racist anti-zionist believes, doubt it. [quote name='stephen' post='1030981' date='Jul 26 2006, 12:04 AM'] And targeting UN posts, ambulances, refugees and children with F-16s and hellfire missile equipped helicopters is heroic, I take it? ... like clearly marked ambulances, for instance? [img]http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/26/redcross_wideweb__470x352,0.jpg[/img] [/quote] What like "UN posts, ambulances" and etc like these? [quote][size=3]The ambulances-for-terrorists scandal Posted: June 2, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern Editor's note: The included link to video footage requires Microsoft Windows Media Player to view. © 2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc. [b]The United Nations and Red Cross have been providing cover for terrorists – literally[/b]. And American taxpayers are footing some of the bill. Last week, an Israeli television station aired footage of armed Arab terrorists in southern Gaza using an ambulance owned and operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees. Palestinian gunmen used the UNRWA emergency vehicle as getaway transportation after murdering six Israeli soldiers in Gaza City on May 11. The footage shows two ambulances with flashing lights pull onto a street. Shots and shouts ring out during the nighttime raid. A gang of militants piles into one of the supposedly neutral ambulances, clearly marked "U.N." with the agency's blue flag flying from the roof, which then speeds away from the scene. AccessMiddleEast.org, a nonprofit global news monitoring service, posted the video (shot by a Reuters TV cameraman) on its website last week. To date, Access Middle East Managing Director Richard Bardenstein in Israel informs me, not a single U.S. television news station has expressed interest in showing the footage to American viewers. Why should we care? Because since 1950, the United States has provided UNRWA with $2.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies – about one-third of the relief agency's total budget. And because instead of investigating this latest black eye-inducing scandal, the United Nations is blasting American troops for defending themselves against such outrageous tactics – now being emulated by Iraqi guerrilla warriors sniping at our men and women from ambulances in Fallujah. International relief officials are in stubborn denial about the abuse of their emergency vehicles and hospital credentials by terrorists. They claim the videotaped May 11 ambulance-assisted attack was an isolated incident and that the driver was forced to transport the gunmen. But this ambulances-for-terrorists program has been going on for years. And "humanitarian" workers have been willing collaborators. According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special Studies, senior UNRWA employee Nahed Rashid Ahmed Attalah confessed to using his official U.N. vehicle to bypass security and smuggle arms, explosives and terrorists to and from attacks. He was in charge of distributing food supplies to Palestinian refugees. Nidal 'Abd al-Fataah 'Abdallah Nizal, a Hamas activist, worked as an UNRWA ambulance driver and admitted he had used an emergency vehicle to transport munitions to terrorists. U.N. vehicles aren't the only ones being used by terrorists. An intensive-care ambulance carrying the acronym of the Palestine Red Crescent Society was used to deliver an explosive belt found underneath a stretcher on which a sick child was lying in spring 2002. Female suicide bomber Wafa Idris, who blew herself up in a January 2002 attack in Jerusalem, was a medical secretary for the PRCS. Her recruiter was an ambulance driver for the same organization. PRCS receives financial support from governments and organizations around the world, including the American Red Cross and International Committee of the Red Cross. The UNRWA has long been suspected of providing aid and comfort to terrorists. Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., chairman of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, recently documented how "buildings and warehouses under UNRWA supervision are allegedly being used as storage areas for Palestinian ammunition and counterfeit currency factories." Cantor's 2002 report also noted that UNRWA hosts summer camps in martyrdom for young terrorists-in-training. Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., has also lobbied for increased scrutiny of UNRWA funding, which has been used to publish anti-Semitic textbooks and posters in schools that "glorify homicide bombers and the slaughter of innocents." Moreover, according to Rep. Smith, a UNRWA school hosted a Hamas rally by a key Hamas leader in July 2001 and another UNRWA employee praised homicide bombers, proclaiming: "The road to Palestine passes through the blood of the fallen, and these fallen have written history with parts of their flesh and their bodies." While jihadists gain shelter in its emergency vehicles, the U.N. continues to lambaste the U.S. for assorted wartime "atrocities." Not one more American dime should go to fund the bloody self-righteousness of the world's most generous terrorist relief organization.[/size] [/quote] [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 12:17 AM'] [color="#FF0000"]Nobody is justifying indiscriminate killing[/color] here except perhaps you rooting for the terrorist cowards. If the Jews are killing innocent lebanese on purpose then they deserve to be reprimanded just like the terrorists, but the point is that it's just not happening. [/quote] Agreed.
jiyoung Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 (I think you guys thought that the "football game" comment was made by the stephen guy--it was actually cappie. I don't think you guys meant to say those things to him. Just letting you know. Carry on!)
stephen Posted July 26, 2006 Author Posted July 26, 2006 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1030983' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:12 AM'] Paul Craig Roberts is a Kerry supporter and his article smacks of kneejerk angry Cindy Sheehan leftism, so I take what he says with a grain of salt. [/quote] Paul Craig Roberts is a Former Assistant of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, but really, I don't care what his politics are either way. I agree with what he states in the article. [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1030983' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:12 AM']What I'd really like to know if the Vatican has ever made a statement or held a position on the Balfour declaration and creation of the Israeli state. [/quote] The only pope to be canonized a saint since 1672, Pope St. Pius X, refused to acknowledge the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state in Palestine. Here is his response to Zionist, Theodore Herzl who lobbied for his support: [quote]"We are unfavorable to the movement. We cannot prevent Jews from going to Jerusalem, but we can [b]never[/b] sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the church I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people. Should the Jews manage to set foot on the once promised old-new land, the missionaries of the Church stand prepared to baptize them." (Pope St. Pius X) [/quote] The great Pope Saint's position was maintained to varying degrees by his successors until only recently. The Zionist state was not recognized by the Vatican until 1993.
KnightofChrist Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) [quote name='jiyoung' post='1030989' date='Jul 26 2006, 12:50 AM'] (I think you guys thought that the "football game" comment was made by the stephen guy--it was actually cappie. I don't think you guys meant to say those things to him. Just letting you know. Carry on!) [/quote] Honestly I knew... and I apolygize, cappie is cool, and I love his standing up for The Church in Bolivia. [quote name='stephen' post='1030990' date='Jul 26 2006, 12:54 AM'] Paul Craig Roberts is a Former Assistant of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, but really, I don't care what his politics are either way. I agree with what he states in the article.[/quote] Alot of people agree with what they read in Mein Kampf, but that doesnt make what you read true, or that one should believe ever jew hating wacko artcle one may read. [quote name='stephen' post='1030990' date='Jul 26 2006, 12:54 AM'] The only pope to be canonized a saint since 1672, Pope St. Pius X, refused to acknowledge the Zionists plan to create a Jewish state in Palestine. Here is his response to Zionist, Theodore Herzl who lobbied for his support: The great Pope Saint's position was maintained to varying degrees by his successors until only recently. The Zionist state was not recognized by the Vatican until 1993. [/quote] So popes make mistakes, so what? But what are you saying Israel should not be a state? Edited July 26, 2006 by KnightofChrist
stephen Posted July 26, 2006 Author Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM'] Why the double standard? You whine and moan about Israel killing civilians (which are never openly justified by the Israeli government) and then you just dismiss the terrorist attacks which are a daily occurance AND which are justified by the Muslim governments.[/quote] Why the straw man? I have not dismissed any terrorist attacks perpetrated by anyone. I'm focused on the Israeli's terrorist activities at the moment. [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM']I usually don't throw the term around, but it is my conviction that you are a genuine racist. Though, in all honesty, I don't know if it's against the Jews, or if it's against the muslims, seeing as you don't expect very much of them morally. You really need therapy.[/quote] Seeing as how I haven't stated anything at all pertaining to race, I think it's safe to ignore this nonsense. [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM']Ah...I don't remember anybody dragging religion into this. we're not discussing theological following here, we're talking political. [/quote] This is a Catholic forum. We'll talk religion, despite your attempt to frame the debate your way. [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM']And anyway, let's assume for a minute that yo're blatant lie is fact. how many prominent jewish leaders do you see on soap boxes telling young teenage jews to strap a bomb to themselves and go murder women and children for the glory of God?[/quote] It's a well established fact that a great many adherants of rabbinic Judaism view all Arabs as "Amalek" and that it's a "mitzvah" to "exterminte" them all. [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1270038.stm"]Rabbi Calls for Annihilation of Arabs[/url] And the Israeli's don't need bomb belts. They have the fifth most powerful military in the world c/o the US taxpayer. [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM']Can we get a reference? Anybody can pull a picture off of google of a blown out ambulance.[/quote] It's an AP photo from this online newspaper: [url="http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/lebanons-pain-seen-in-a-mothers-heartbreak/2006/07/26/1153816189373.html"]http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/lebanons-...3816189373.html[/url] also see: [url="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19915049-2703,00.html"]Civilians killed as Israelis target ambulances[/url] [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM']Nobody is justifying indiscriminate killing here ... [/quote] Actually, that's exactly what the strangely named superZionist, "knightforchrist" and yourself are doing. You've both justified the massive civilian casualties caused by the Israeli bombing of civilian populated areas based upon the notion that there might be some terrorists hidden there. The religious justification for your position is founded in rabbinic Judaism, not Catholicism: [url="http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/legal/psak5766Sivan24b.html"]http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/legal/psak5766Sivan24b.html[/url] [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM']... except perhaps you rooting for the terrorist cowards. [/quote] That is what's called a lie. [quote name='DAF' post='1030986' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:17 AM']If the Jews are killing innocent lebanese on purpose then they deserve to be reprimanded just like the terrorists, but the point is that it's just not happening. [/quote] It just comes down to denial of the blatantly obvious, doesn't it. You either are not facing the facts or you're attempting to mislead people. God knows which. Edited July 26, 2006 by stephen
misereremi Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 [quote name='cappie' post='1030957' date='Jul 26 2006, 05:59 AM'] I don't think it's helpful to anyone at this moment..... [/quote] Totally agree. There is nothing for Catholics to "support" here except calls for peace and the stance of our Pope: "cease fire IMMEDIATELY"!
stephen Posted July 26, 2006 Author Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1030987' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:27 AM'] ... are you even Catholic, to USE the Holy Father for you ... anti-zionist believes, doubt it. [/quote] I've quoted a Pope Saint who plainly stated that Catholics could never sanction the Zionist movement. If you can present equally weighty support for the strange notion which you seem to be laboring under--that Catholics should be Zionists, I'd sure be interested in seeing it. Edited July 26, 2006 by stephen
Anomaly Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 stephen, I am open minded on this issue. (Not so open minded as cappie who disregards the reasons and thinks both sides should just 'be nice'. LOL) Please respond to what I've read on the AP. Isreal had pulled out of Lebanon after occupying it on the condition that the Lebonese gov't actually govern it and Hezbollah does not move in. Hezbollag moves in, keeps the legitimate Lebonese gov't out or ineffectual, accepts $$ from Syria and Iran, and continually launches attacks into Isreal. Isreal, with $$ from the US (who are enemies of Syria and Iran and Hezbollah) responds to the missle attacks and kidnappings with overwelming force. Hezbollah's 'militia', like Iraq's, hides behind the skirts of civillian women and children's schools since it's not a traditional military. The war would stop in 24 hours if: Hezbollah returns the kidnapped soldiers. Lenonese gov't governs as promised when Isreal pulled out. Hezbollah stops shooting missles. Isreal withdraws back to it's borders. Which party is dragging their feet?
homeschoolmom Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 The Holy Father has called us to PRAY FOR PEACE! That is the side we should be on.
toledo_jesus Posted July 26, 2006 Posted July 26, 2006 praying for peace is the best solution, because these Middle Easterners are too stiff-necked to actually agree on anything. Hezbollah and Israel have been spoiling for a fight for years. This has been brewing...they'll quit eventually.
stephen Posted July 26, 2006 Author Posted July 26, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031016' date='Jul 26 2006, 06:39 AM'] stephen, I am open minded on this issue. (Not so open minded as cappie who disregards the reasons and thinks both sides should just 'be nice'. LOL) Please respond to what I've read on the AP. Isreal had pulled out of Lebanon after occupying it on the condition that the Lebonese gov't actually govern it and Hezbollah does not move in. [/quote] That's what the talking heads of the American media have been saying. But those who have been following the situation for longer than a few weeks would say that the Israelis left Lebanon because they realized that they couldn't disarm Hezbollah and that the occupation was unpopular. [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031016' date='Jul 26 2006, 06:39 AM']Hezbollag moves in, keeps the legitimate Lebonese gov't out or ineffectual, accepts $$ from Syria and Iran, and continually launches attacks into Isreal. Isreal, with $$ from the US (who are enemies of Syria and Iran and Hezbollah) responds to the missle attacks and kidnappings with overwelming force. [/quote] Initial news reports stated that Hezbollah captured the two Israeli soldiers after they had crossed the border into Lebanese territory. [quote]"The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border [b]in southern Lebanon[/b], prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces [b]into its neighbor [/b] to look for them." [url="http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html"]Forbes.com[/url][/quote] More on that controversy here: [url="http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401"]Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon?[/url] [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031016' date='Jul 26 2006, 06:39 AM']Hezbollah's 'militia', like Iraq's, hides behind the skirts of civillian women and children's schools since it's not a traditional military. The war would stop in 24 hours if: Hezbollah returns the kidnapped soldiers.[/quote] Hezbollah has offered to swap the two captured Israeli soldiers for some of the thousands of Arab civilians, many of them women and children, which the Zionist state holds, illegally I might add, as prisoners. This is a fair offer. [url="http://www.counterpunch.org/assad07142006.html"]These deals have taken place many times in the past.[/url] This time the Israelis refuse to take a very fair deal. Many people believe that is because the recent capture of the two Israeli soldiers is only being used as a [url="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/21/MNG2QK396D1.DTL"]pretext for an attack against Lebanon which was planned long in advance[/url]. [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031016' date='Jul 26 2006, 06:39 AM']Lenonese gov't governs as promised when Isreal pulled out.[/quote] The implication is that the struggling Lebanese government, just recovering from having it's infrastructure repeatedly destroyed by the Israelis, should have been able to do in 5 years what the Israeli military could not do in 18 years with virtually unlimited resources--disarm Hezbollah. I think that the unreasonable nature of this demand should be readily apparent to any thinking person. [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031016' date='Jul 26 2006, 06:39 AM']Hezbollah stops shooting missles.[/quote] I have no doubt that if the Israelis offered to cease their bombing campaign and swap prisoners that the Hezbollah rockets would stop. [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031016' date='Jul 26 2006, 06:39 AM']Isreal withdraws back to it's borders.[/quote] Without a miracle, that's not going to happen. [url="http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/world/15119386.htm"]Israel Intends to Carve 'Security Zone'[/url] [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031016' date='Jul 26 2006, 06:39 AM']Which party is dragging their feet? [/quote] The atrocities would stop if the Israeli military immediately halted it's illegal, brutal collective punishment of the people of Lebanon as the Vatican and every nation of the UN except for the US and UK have demanded. Edited July 26, 2006 by stephen
stephen Posted July 26, 2006 Author Posted July 26, 2006 [quote name='toledo_jesus' post='1031243' date='Jul 26 2006, 12:34 PM'] praying for peace is the best solution, because these Middle Easterners are too stiff-necked to actually agree on anything. [/quote] What a strange distortion of biblical language. The epithet "stiffnecked" was applied by God specifically to the apostate Israelites in numerous instances in Holy Scripture. One will not find that epithet applied to any other people in scripture.
Anomaly Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 So stephen. No defense for Hezbollah to give up the 2 soldiers in exchange for Isreal to stop bombing civillians? Of course, one would have to ignore the fundamental goal of Hezbollah. The destruction of Isreal. Isreal is willing to live and let live, but has to deal with entities that only want to live with the absence of Isreal. Where's reason in that?
KnightofChrist Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 [quote name='misereremi' post='1030999' date='Jul 26 2006, 02:41 AM'] Totally agree. There is nothing for Catholics to "support" here except calls for peace and the stance of our Pope: "cease fire IMMEDIATELY"! [/quote] I support Israel, and God’s Covenant With Israel, and the Jews the chosen people of God. There can be no peace with an emeny that swears to wipe Israel off the map. I support a real peace that can only exist if this jew hating evil is destroyed.
stephen Posted July 27, 2006 Author Posted July 27, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031512' date='Jul 26 2006, 07:58 PM'] So stephen. No defense for Hezbollah to give up the 2 soldiers in exchange for Isreal to stop bombing civillians? [/quote] I will not play that game. The Israelis have no right to collectively punish the entire population of Lebanon for the actions of a few Hezbollah soldiers in the first place. That's why the Vatican and every nation of the UN, aside from the US and UK, have condemned the Israelis' barbarous actions and demanded that they cease immediately. [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031512' date='Jul 26 2006, 07:58 PM'] Of course, one would have to ignore the fundamental goal of Hezbollah. The destruction of Isreal. [/quote] And one is doing a fine job of ignoring the apparent goal of the Israelis--the destruction and occupation of Lebanon. [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031512' date='Jul 26 2006, 07:58 PM'] Isreal is willing to live and let live, [/quote] You're joking, right? This summary of the 68 UN resolutions that the Zionist state is currently in violation of paints a clear picture of what it actually stands for: [quote]1955-1992: * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid". * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people". * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem". * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions". * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria". * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control". * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees". * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan". * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem". * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250". * Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital". * Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation". * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation". * Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport". * Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan". * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem". *Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon". * Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem". * Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon". * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon". * Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon". * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem". * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon". * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon". * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon". * Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon". * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty". * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon". * Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon". * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon. * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces". * Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention". * Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon". * Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories". * Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program". * Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon". * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return". * Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians". * Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention". * Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'". * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'". * Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors". * Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility". * Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith". * Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon". * Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops". * Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon". * Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in". * Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon". * Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon". * Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut". * Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters. * Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw". * Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops". * Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians. * Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention. * Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians". * Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians. * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount. * Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations. * Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return. * Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return. [/quote] And there would be many others if the Zionist controlled US did not use it's UN veto power to block them. [quote name='Anomaly' post='1031512' date='Jul 26 2006, 07:58 PM'] ... but has to deal with entities that only want to live with the absence of Isreal. Where's reason in that? [/quote] I concede that some Arab organizations and nations do not profess a belief that the Zionist state has a right to exist, but neither did Pope St. Pius X for that matter. As much as the Zionists would make support for their state a litmus test for humanity, the fact is that they have no right to do so. There are many valid reasons why a person can believe that the Zionist state is illegitimate: from it's terrorist founding with the Irgun and Stern gangs to it's present war crimes against Lebanon, and countless criminal actions in between. And the Israelis have done everything possible to prevent the Palestinians from forming their own sovereign state. So on what grounds, other than very hypocritical grounds, do they condemn Arab organizations and nations that don't recognize "Israel" in solidarity with Palestinians? Not to mention that both Muslims and Christians have strong religious reasons for rejecting this people who allege to be "Jews" and make an unBiblical claim to the land of Palestine 2000 years after God expelled the apostate Jews from that land. To paraphrase St. Pius X, the "Jews" have not recognized my Lord. How can I recognize their "right" to live in Palestine and call it "Israel"? It is Christians who are truly Israel. Edited July 27, 2006 by stephen
stephen Posted July 27, 2006 Author Posted July 27, 2006 (edited) [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1031595' date='Jul 26 2006, 10:22 PM'] I support Israel, and God’s Covenant With Israel, and the Jews the chosen people of God.[/quote] The problem is that the Jews didn't keep their end of the deal. Crucifying the Messiah was the ultimate deal breaker with God and the reason why they were expelled from Jerusalem. To this day the Jews, real and fake "Jews" alike, have largely upheld the tradition of the Pharisees condemned by Jesus Christ and continue to reject the Messiah. For this reason they have no right, religiously speaking, to live in the Holy Land. And I believe very strongly that it is because of this blatant disregard for God's will that there is so much strife caused by them. [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1031595' date='Jul 26 2006, 10:22 PM']There can be no peace with an emeny that swears to wipe Israel off the map. [/quote] There can be no peace with a beligerant nation as the Zionist state has proven itself to be through it's crimes against the Lebanese people and all of it's neighbors. [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1031595' date='Jul 26 2006, 10:22 PM']I support a real peace that can only exist if this jew hating evil is destroyed. [/quote] You remind me of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1270038.stm"]Rabbi Calls For Annihilation of Arabs[/url] [quote]"It is forbidden to be merciful to (Arabs). You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable." (Rabbi Ovadia Yosef) [/quote] Edited July 27, 2006 by stephen
stephen Posted July 27, 2006 Author Posted July 27, 2006 (edited) Tying up some loose ends here. [quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1030871' date='Jul 25 2006, 11:29 PM'] This spam (aka Hizbollah propoganda) is hitting every web forum. Post count of the author of this post? One. [/quote] It may interest some people to know the extent to which the Zionist state goes to control public opinion. While the US media is completely controlled, the internet does offer some freedom from censorship and control, so the Zionists are working very hard to gain control there as well: [quote][b]REQUEST FROM The Israeli Public Affairs Department[/b] Posted: 7/22/2006 5:00:00 PM Author: Amir Gissin Source: [url="http://www.standwithus.com"]http://www.standwithus.com[/url] This project is supported by StandWithUs. Its an easy way for you to help! MESSAGE FROM Amir Gissin, The Israeli Public Affairs Department Dear friends, Many of us recognize the importance of the Internet as the new battleground for Israel's image. It's time to do it better, and coordinate our on-line efforts on behalf of Israel. An Israeli software company have developed a free, safe and useful tool for us - the Internet Megaphone. Please go to www.giyus.org, download the Megaphone, and you will receive daily updates with instant links to important internet polls, problematic articles that require a talk back, etc. We need 100,000 Megaphone users to make a difference. So, please distribute this mail to all Israel's supporters. Do it now. For Israel. Amir Gissin Director Public Affairs Department Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem [url="http://www.standwithus.com/news_post.asp?NPI=914"]http://www.standwithus.com/news_post.asp?NPI=914[/url][/quote] [quote]But if anyone wants to play the numbers game, I'd be more than happy to go along with that. [/quote] [quote name='DAF' post='1030963' date='Jul 26 2006, 01:03 AM'] Alright, I would like to see that actually. [/quote] Here are some statistics for you: [url="http://ifamericansknew.org/"]http://ifamericansknew.org/[/url] Edited July 27, 2006 by stephen
stephen Posted July 27, 2006 Author Posted July 27, 2006 (edited) [b]Mapping of Israeli assault: July 12-25[/b] [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1096/3412/400/lebanon%20map%20July%2012-25.0.jpg[/img] Edited July 27, 2006 by stephen
stephen Posted July 27, 2006 Author Posted July 27, 2006 (edited) [size=3][b]The Catholic Church condemns the Israeli atrocities, the rabbis revel in them.[/b][/size] A glimpse of the vengeful nature of rabbinic Judaism. [img]http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2006/07/26/2003153885.jpg[/img] (DAVID GUTTENFELDER / AP) [i]Israeli soldiers load missiles on a military vehicle as Israeli orthodox Jews dance, to show their support for the troops.[/i] [img]http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/07/24/world/24mide190.jpg[/img] Rina Castelnuovo for The New Tork Times [i]An Israeli tank near Avivim, Israel, passed Hasidic men showing support in a “mitzvah tank” van[/i] “Mitzvah tanks,” the brightly painted minivans operated by adherents to the Chabad-Lubavitch branch of Hasidic Judaism, arrived at the junction in the afternoon, broadcasting a sort of Hasidic disco. Their passengers, young men in Hasidic dress with wildly flowing sidelocks, spilled out of the vans dancing and singing, some leaping onto the tanks. “We’re here to entertain the troops,” a man with a footlong beard shouted from atop one of the vans. [url="http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/sf/nyt7_25_06_9.htm"]http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/sf/nyt7_25_06_9.htm[/url] [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6256/2146/1600/197226681_b3290c4234_o.jpg[/img] [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6256/2146/1600/197245307_f0b2ceab91_o.jpg[/img] Edited July 27, 2006 by stephen
Jeff Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 [quote name='stephen' post='1031694' date='Jul 26 2006, 11:43 PM'] The problem is that the Jews didn't keep their end of the deal. Crucifying the Messiah was the ultimate deal breaker with God and the reason why they were expelled from Jerusalem. To this day the Jews, real and fake "Jews" alike, have largely upheld the tradition of the Pharisees condemned by Jesus Christ and continue to reject the Messiah. For this reason they have no right, religiously speaking, to live in the Holy Land. And I believe very strongly that it is because of this blatant disregard for God's will that there is so much strife caused by them. There can be no peace with a beligerant nation as the Zionist state has proven itself to be through it's crimes against the Lebanese people and all of it's neighbors. [/quote] But it's ok for the Muslims, (who deny the divinity of Christ), to have the Holy Land?! What do you propose the Jews do. Just let the Muslims take their home's and kill them?! What motivates your posts, stephen? Are you a Muslim, an Arab, or a Nazi?
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