Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Posted January 7, 2004 I did not lump you in, but if I have to go thru every group and there various interpretations EVERY time we say the word protestants our posts will make Likos 'slook like one-liners. And if you think those groups are bad, you ought to visit a Catholic chat room on yahoo where W of B, and statues worshippers are visitor's favorite refrain as they try to save the poor hell-bound Catholics. Please keep in mind Cmom I will give a defense for the protestants I know to be in love with Christ and who are so deep in Scripture I understand nothing of their papers sometimes. Those that visit a Catholic Chat Room and yell "statue worshippers" and things such as that are out of line. But Catholics much of the time are out of line with comments such as "you just believe that so you can account for when someone falls away" or "is the light of truth too bright for you??" I know Truth. It is truth that Jesus came and died for my sins. It is truth that He was an eternal sacrifice reconciling me to God forever. I thank Him for that daily. You may disagree and believe that something you do can cut you off from Christ now - but that is your worry, not mine.
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Posted January 7, 2004 I have the hope of Salvation, the hope that God will always move me to live in Him, through Him, and with Him. But I CANNOT accept the notion that if I consciously do what displeases Him that He will bring me home to Him. I can expect to see my Lord as long as I am a faithful Bride, but when I start trying serve the World, the Flesh, and the Devil, I don't see how He in His holiness can still call me Bride and bring me home to Him.
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Posted January 7, 2004 is there something you want me to respond to?
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Posted January 7, 2004 the world does nnot revolve around you monsieur.
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) just checking didn't want to miss any fun responses! Edited January 7, 2004 by Circle_Master
Anna Posted January 7, 2004 Posted January 7, 2004 The Bible is my source for truth and that is the only source I have. That makes me feel very sad for you. If I find a passage and do a study on it and it seems to teach something different I change my theology.So, you rely basically on your own intellect to tell you what the Scriptures mean. With many interpretations out there, one can find interpretations to justify almost any sin, and call it good. I let Scripture speak for itself. Where does the Bible tell you to do that? Where does the Bible state that it is the pillar and foundation of Truth? You have only one leg to stand on: Scripture. (and an altered Bible at that) We Catholics have three: Scripture, Apostolic Tradition, and a Holy Spirit guided Authority commissioned by Christ. These three stand together to support and present Truth, never competing, never contradicting. Hence, we understand that salvation isn't attained in a single one-time act, but it is rather a process which occurs over a lifetime... "And ye shall be hated of all men for My Name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matthew 10:22). "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure"(Philippians 2:12-13) God is the Judge Who decides who is saved and who is damned, not us. We believe overstepping our role and claiming our own salvation is the sin of "presumption." Pax Christi. <><
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Posted January 7, 2004 Circle, people don't realize it, but that phrase is SO vulgar. Could you edit it?
Circle_Master Posted January 7, 2004 Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) That makes me feel very sad for you. So, you rely basically on your own intellect to tell you what the Scriptures mean. With many interpretations out there, one can find interpretations to justify almost any sin, and call it good. It is a good thing I do not try to justify sin like that. You can't seem to get it into you head that I want to be more like Christ. I love doing things in Scripture, and it never bothers me to tell the truth, or to tell the gospel. I love seeing someone's face when they learn something new about God and go 'wow!'. This is the process of sanctification - that makes us love God and hate evil. If anything, I may twist Scripture a little to make it harder on myself. Where does the Bible tell you to do that? Where does the Bible state that it is the pillar and foundation of Truth? Well. Ya know - things like 'The Word of the Lord shall stand forever' or 'All Scripture is God-Breathed' and ya know, since you also agree it is inerrant... You have only one leg to stand on: Scripture. (and an altered Bible at that) We Catholics have three: Scripture, Apostolic Tradition, and a Holy Spirit guided Authority commissioned by Christ. Unfortunately, you base your Apostolic Tradition and the Holy Spirit guided authority off what I consider to be weak interpretations of Scripture. If you could agree that both are not shown from Scripture - you are on the weakest leg of all. These three stand together to support and present Truth, never competing, never contradicting. Hence, we understand that salvation isn't attained in a single one-time act, but it is rather a process which occurs over a lifetime... "And ye shall be hated of all men for My Name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matthew 10:22). Your verse emphasis's why we call it 'perseverance of the saints'. Because it is promised we will persevere to the end - just as Matthew 10:22 says. "...work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure"(Philippians 2:12-13) exactly - our salvation is God's work. God is the Judge Who decides who is saved and who is damned, not us. We believe overstepping our role and claiming our own salvation is the sin of "presumption." I agree completely! I don't tell anyone they are not saved or saved based on anything. I will let them know if they don't agree with what the Bible calls for to be saved they are not saved though! That is arguing against God - not me. Edited January 7, 2004 by Circle_Master
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Posted January 7, 2004 i don't agree with what you say the bible calls for to be saved circle, in fact i whole-heartedly disagree. am i not saved?
Anna Posted January 7, 2004 Posted January 7, 2004 (edited) It is a good thing I do not try to justify sin like that. Most peeps don't realize when they are justifying sin like that. There are active homosexuals who will misinterpret the prohibition on homosexual relations, there are heterosexuals who will justify sterilization and contraception (basically, the sin of Onan) as being "good stewards", etc. They are sincere, perhaps, but they are sincerely wrong. If you could agree that both are not shown from Scripture - you are on the weakest leg of all. Well, that would be lying. Both are shown from Scripture, and it has been provided to you already on several threads here. Well. Ya know - things like 'The Word of the Lord shall stand forever' or 'All Scripture is God-Breathed' and ya know, since you also agree it is inerrant... Well. Ya know - The Bible says that The Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth, and the Church---Authority, Tradition, and Scripture combined---present a unified teaching for all, without deviations and a variety of interpretations, teachings as old as the Scriptures themselves. Unfortunately, you base your Apostolic Tradition and the Holy Spirit guided authority off what I consider to be weak interpretations of Scripture. What you consider to be weak interpretations is incorrect. What I consider, what Augustine considered, what Ignatius of Antioch considered, etc., etc., etc. is what the Catholic Church still teaches to this day. What do you make of this: "If you love me, deny your very self..." Are you willing to put your own pride, your own man-made, ever-changing theology aside, and consider that Christ truly established one single Church, prayed for it to remain one, commissioned it with certain authority, bestowed gifts to it, and released His Holy Spirit upon it...and that it still exists, One baptism, One Faith, One Lord, to this day? Pax Christi. <>< Edited January 7, 2004 by Anna
cmotherofpirl Posted January 7, 2004 Posted January 7, 2004 It is a good thing I do not try to justify sin like that. You can't seem to get it into you head that I want to be more like Christ. I love doing things in Scripture, and it never bothers me to tell the truth, or to tell the gospel. I love seeing someone's face when they learn something new about God and go 'wow!'. This is the process of sanctification - that makes us love God and hate evil. If anything, I may twist Scripture a little to make it harder on myself. Well. Ya know - things like 'The Word of the Lord shall stand forever' or 'All Scripture is God-Breathed' and ya know, since you also agree it is inerrant... Unfortunately, you base your Apostolic Tradition and the Holy Spirit guided authority off what I consider to be weak interpretations of Scripture. If you could agree that both are not shown from Scripture - you are on the weakest leg of all. Your verse emphasis's why we call it 'perseverance of the saints'. Because it is promised we will persevere to the end - just as Matthew 10:22 says. exactly - our salvation is God's work. I agree completely! I don't tell anyone they are not saved or saved based on anything. I will let them know if they don't agree with what the Bible calls for to be saved they are not saved though! That is arguing against God - not me. My comments on your comments of her comments: Nobody is arguing that you don't love God. Its nice to see you believe in doing works. The Word of the Lord included written and oral teaching just as St.Paul said. SCripture came from Aposolic Tradition, not the other way around. perserverance of the Saints is good...for the Saints. Scripture does not promise perserverence for sinners. Salvation is God's work and our work as well. Cooperation. When you talk to people about being saved , do you tell them to read the whole Bible and decide for themselves, or do you point out appropriate verses for them?
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Posted January 7, 2004 cIRCLE SAID: I agree completely! I don't tell anyone they are not saved or saved based on anything. I will let them know if they don't agree with what the Bible calls for to be saved they are not saved though! That is arguing against God - not me. i SAID: i don't agree with what you say the bible calls for to be saved circle, in fact i whole-heartedly disagree. am i not saved?
hyperdulia again Posted January 7, 2004 Author Posted January 7, 2004 oh my. i wish i had this ability to know when someone's hell-bound. *sips coffee*
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