Eutychus Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 [quote]Jesus will separate the wheat when he comes again. [/quote] Whimpy answer. A real church, Jesus's church, GOD's church, tosses the REPROBATEs out of leadership NOW. Some people, are REALLY followers of the Pauline instructions, they KNOW and BELIEVE Romans, Corintians, and the Timothy letters. Others just make excuses.
Veritas Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 (edited) Call it wimpy if you want, but it's in the Bible. Using your logic, you may also wonder why Jesus didn't throw Peter out, heck and everyone else, who denied and deserted him. Please , allow me to remind you: He came to forgive sinners! Now, that being said, those who persist in sin need to go until they repent. We're all in agreement about that. As far as timing, and those visits with two and three --those are up to the bishop . I love apostolic succession. I like you Eutychus. I can't wait until you enter the Church! Edited September 9, 2006 by Veritas
Eutychus Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 [quote]Using your logic, you may also wonder why Jesus didn't throw Peter out, heck and everyone else, who denied and deserted him. Please smile.gif , allow me to remind you: He came to forgive sinners! [/quote] Oh, the biblical illiterates. Have you ever read Matthew 23 in it's entirety? He was gentle to the downtrodden, and harsh with the proud, ESPECIALLY those in religious leadership, them he pulled no punches with. And our "gentle Jesus" walked right into the Vatican and turned over the tables of the indulgence sellers.....didn't He? { updated version } if you want to really update it, Jesus went to Fatima and turned over the tables of the Catholic brick-a-brack sellers.
stbernardLT Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 I'm sorry I don't remember Jesus dening being a jew after the temple incident. In fact he still celebrated Passover before he died. You see just because something went wrong (indulgences, pedophile and homosexual priest) doesn't mean we should deny the Holy church. We should correct it and realize, just as Jesus did that peoples actions shouldn't be a representation of the truth and love of God. Good thing Jesus wasn't a protestant. He could of started the First Holy Church of the Temple Crashers.
XIX Posted September 9, 2006 Author Posted September 9, 2006 [quote]Oh, the biblical illiterates. Have you ever read Matthew 23 in it's entirety? He was gentle to the downtrodden, and harsh with the proud, ESPECIALLY those in religious leadership, them he pulled no punches with.[/quote] Yeah. Just like the Pope! [quote]Endorses? Heck no, your paperwork is PERFECT![/quote] So when it comes from Rome, it's "paperwork" [quote]However your priests don't seem to care what the paperwork teaches and says. If you seem to think I'm talking out of school, here is 1,300 pages of corroboration just published by a Catholic researcher.[/quote] But when it comes from some priests, it's "1300 pages of corroboration." At least you've conceded that the Church doesn't endorse homosexuality. Now the next step is to stop acting like they do.
Veritas Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 [quote name='Eutychus' date='Sep 9 2006, 04:07 PM' post='1059795'] Oh, the biblical illiterates. I'm gonna call you on this one Euty -Ad Hominem. But, I still like you.
Eutychus Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 [quote] You see just because something went wrong (indulgences, pedophile and homosexual priest) doesn't mean we should deny the Holy church.[/quote] Holy? The hypothetical church, holy in concept, sodom in practice. Jesus had a word for those sorts, HYPOCRITS. Did you find the time to read Matthew 23 yet?
Veritas Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 [quote name='Eutychus' post='1059824' date='Sep 9 2006, 04:54 PM'] Holy? The hypothetical church, holy in concept, sodom in practice. Jesus had a word for those sorts, HYPOCRITS. Did you find the time to read Matthew 23 yet? [/quote] Euty, The Catholic Church: Feeds, Clothes, Shelters, and Provides Free Health Care to more people than any other institution or organization on the planet. That doesn't seem holy in practice to you?
XIX Posted September 9, 2006 Author Posted September 9, 2006 [quote name='Eutychus' post='1059824' date='Sep 9 2006, 05:54 PM'] Holy? The hypothetical church, holy in concept, sodom in practice. Jesus had a word for those sorts, HYPOCRITS. Did you find the time to read Matthew 23 yet? [/quote] You think B16 is a sodomite??!!?!?!?!
Veritas Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 [quote name='Veritas' post='1059827' date='Sep 9 2006, 04:57 PM'] Euty, The Catholic Church: Feeds, Clothes, Shelters, and Provides Free Health Care to more people than any other institution or organization on the planet. That doesn't seem holy in practice to you? [/quote] p.s. I still like you. Did anyone hug you today? [quote name='XIX' post='1059828' date='Sep 9 2006, 04:57 PM'] You think B16 is a sodomite??!!?!?!?! [/quote] That is totally inappropriate. If this starts to go towards blaspheming the Holy Father, I'm reporting it for removal right away. There is no proof of that and such slander is a sin as grievous as murder. Don't mess with PaPa!
stbernardLT Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 [quote name='Eutychus' post='1059824' date='Sep 9 2006, 06:54 PM'] Holy? The hypothetical church, holy in concept, sodom in practice. Jesus had a word for those sorts, HYPOCRITS. Did you find the time to read Matthew 23 yet? [/quote] Did you find the time to realize that just because Jesus witnessed something going very wrong inside the Jewish church he didn't deny the truth of the prophets. Jesus witnessed people taking advantage of others who were in need of animals to be sacrificed. Did this lead him to deny sacrificial offerings all together, no. He got angry about the sins of the sellers not the teachings of the temple. For He himself became a sacrifice for all man. I have read Matthew 23 plenty of times. Again Jesus is talking about the sins of the pharisees, about how some of them take advantage of people. They have bishops who do this, priests, pastors, rabbis, etc.. But not once does Jesus shoot down the teachings of the prophets that the Jews hold sacred. You can get angry at some of our priests and bishops all you want, because I am with you in some cases, but to deny the truth is a different story all together. I think Jesus would applaud your unapproval of priest who set bad examples, but he would never tell you to leave the truth, because that would be contrary to the example he set as a life long Jew.
XIX Posted September 9, 2006 Author Posted September 9, 2006 [quote name='Veritas' post='1059832' date='Sep 9 2006, 06:04 PM'] That is totally inappropriate. If this starts to go towards blaspheming the Holy Father, I'm reporting it for removal right away. There is no proof of that and such slander is a sin as grievous as murder. Don't mess with PaPa! [/quote] wait whaaa???
Veritas Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 [quote name='XIX' post='1059842' date='Sep 9 2006, 05:11 PM'] wait whaaa??? [/quote] I don't mean you X --I just hate it even being written as a jest, and I fear, inviting the type of comments, which are so grievous... sorry, not clear.
XIX Posted September 9, 2006 Author Posted September 9, 2006 I'm still confused. I meant to call Eutychus out on his/her remarks about the Church. :-/ I guess I wasn't clear.
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