Mormon Or Roman Catholic ~ Can U Tell?

[Akalyte]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1061842' date='Sep 12 2006, 08:29 PM']
Several million DEAD souls will be waiting for you in the afterlife, with personal testimonies quite to the contrary.

[i]{ Sitting here, simply STUNNED at that statement....God forgive that boy, talk about TOTAL brainwashing....}[/i]

You use as a SIG TAG, "Beyond the Alps" so I would expect such a person, to actually KNOW OF the real history of the Alpine Christians...

The VAUDOIS { AKA, the Waldensians } who were systematically hunted down, tortured, persecuted, and harrassed for hundreds of years....for what? Being Christians first, and believing in the bible.

Those are the folks "Beyond the Alps"....and now you know.
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Phony Statistics


Many Fundamentalists believe, for instance, that more people died under the Inquisition than in any war or plague; but in this they rely on phony "statistics" generated by one-upmanship among anti-Catholics, each of whom, it seems, tries to come up with the largest number of casualties.

But trying to straighten out such historical confusions can take one only so far. As Ronald Knox put it, we should be cautious, "lest we should wander interminably in a wilderness of comparative atrocity statistics." In fact, no one knows exactly how many people perished through the various Inquisitions. We can determine for certain, though, one thing about numbers given by Fundamentalists: They are far too large. One book popular with Fundamentalists claims that 95 million people died under the Inquisition.

The figure is so grotesquely off that one immediately doubts the writer’s sanity, or at least his grasp of demographics. Not until modern times did the population of those countries where the Inquisitions existed approach 95 million.

Inquisitions did not exist in Northern Europe, Eastern Europe, Scandinavia, or England, being confined mainly to southern France, Italy, Spain, and a few parts of the Holy Roman Empire. The Inquisition could not have killed that many people because those parts of Europe did not have that many people to kill!

Furthermore, the plague, which killed a third of Europe’s population, is credited by historians with major changes in the social structure. The Inquisition is credited with few—precisely because the number of its victims was comparitively small. In fact, recent studies indicate that at most there were only a few thousand capital sentences carried out for heresy in Spain, and these were over the course of several centuries.



I'm done here. Ya'll can have your thread back.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='PadrePioOfPietrelcino' post='1061869' date='Sep 12 2006, 09:49 PM']
I must admit the ONE thing I truely miss about not being a Protestant anymore, is the after service Fellowship. In my former Churches we would have a monthly meal after services, and every week we would have an hour between Sunday School and worship with doughnut, coffee, juice ect. to talk and have good friendships.
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Depends where you go. There are donuts and coffee after every 10 AM Mass in my hometown I think.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1061803' date='Sep 12 2006, 06:34 PM']
Given that I have NEVER stated here what my denomination happens to be, and won't, just HOW am I elevating something that is unspoken?

[img]http://www.msphoto.ca/images/Broadway%20Pentecostal-2.jpg[/img]
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Good thing I wasn't drinking milk when I read this.

Your denomination is 'Anything but Catholic'. All you can post is what's wrong with Catholic. You don't have to name it for it to be readily identified. It's defined by your hatred of how you twist what Catholics 'do'. It's the polar oppisite of EECNS. Who's not in YOUR circle is going to hell. Same story, different book jacket.

[Dave]

At my parish, there's always coffee and fellowship after Mass, not to mention a potluck supper at least once a month.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1061886' date='Sep 12 2006, 10:16 PM']
It's the polar oppisite of EECNS. Who's not in YOUR circle is going to hell. Same story, different book jacket.
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A bit off topic, but I think you are positing a negative reading of EENS, which is not Church teaching.
[quote]Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.[/quote]
Without a doubt the Church believes it best to worship within her. We believe we are the guardian of the sacraments - a most powerful tool in reaching heaven.

[Dave]

Another thing, Euty --

Those Waldensians you cited were HERETICS, not true Christians.

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

[quote name='Dave' post='1061890' date='Sep 12 2006, 09:21 PM']
At my parish, there's always coffee and fellowship after Mass, not to mention a potluck supper at least once a month.
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I wish I was there then

[Socrates]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1061851' date='Sep 12 2006, 07:36 PM']
1: It is called HISTORY BOOKS, my boy, you ought to give them a try sometime.
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When Euty says "history books" he means "Jack Chick comic-book tracts."
I don't think he's ever cited anything that's not blatant anti-Catholic propaganda.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='PadrePioOfPietrelcino' post='1061869' date='Sep 12 2006, 08:49 PM']
I must admit the ONE thing I truely miss about not being a Protestant anymore, is the after service Fellowship. In my former Churches we would have a monthly meal after services, and every week we would have an hour between Sunday School and worship with doughnut, coffee, juice ect. to talk and have good friendships.
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Yeah... we have pretty good fellowship (Bible studies, coffee and donuts etc) at our parish, but I do miss the fellowship at our Protestant church... but I wouldn't trade...

[Socrates]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1061829' date='Sep 12 2006, 07:13 PM']

Actually it doesn't. However we believe in good music, sound, and the best in Audio Visual and comfortable seats { seeing as how our services are generally a little short of two hours, they are appreciated. }

And we see OUR churches as community FIRST, so we normally have a good library, a bang up gym, classrooms galore, bookstore, and the newest trend is an onsite coffee shop for socialization. { Understand that 30 minutes AFTER our service ends, you will find about 30% of the congregation STILL there, greeting, meeting, socializing and getting to know each other...unlike the Indy 500 atmosphere that prevails 30 SECONDS after Mass ends...}
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How can you argue with [b]that[/b]?!

You can tell Eutychus' church is the true Church founded by Christ because it has . . . [b]the best in Audio Visual and comfortable seats[/b], not to mention[b] a good library, a bang up gym, classrooms galore, bookstore[/b], as well as an [b]onsite coffee shop for socialization!![/b] Just as described in the Bible!

I now know my Catholic parish must be a devilish imposter - it doesn't even have a decent gym!

Edited September 13, 2006 by Socrates

[Eutychus]

[quote] Those Waldensians you cited were HERETICS, not true Christians.[/quote]

Yeah, that is what those 12 and 14 and 16 year old popes said too around that time.

Gotta let the teenagers, placed on the throne at the Vatican, by mothers, families, and mistresses determine what IS and IS NOT heresey, don't you?

After all, by the time they got to their mid 40's, most of them were murdered, absconded, or were run out of town one step ahead of a Roman mob.

I suggest you get, and read, [u]THE VICARS OF CHRIST, the Dark Side of the Papacy[/u] written by a RC priest, if you want the "skinny" on those that determined who WAS, or was NOT a "heretic" in the eyes of the pimple faced neer-do-well's that were all so often making such decisions.

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I now know my Catholic parish must be a devilish imposter - it doesn't even have a decent gym![/quote]
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[b]That is why they invented CATHOLIC AEROBICS!!

Stand, sit, kneel, stand, sit, kneel, stand, kneel....ONE TWO THREE FOUR....cross yourself and out the DOOR!!
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{ and you think I was never a church going Catholic....see...proved I've been there and got that T-shirt! }

Edited September 13, 2006 by Eutychus

[CatholicCid]

[quote]Actually it doesn't. However we believe in good music, sound, and the best in Audio Visual and comfortable seats { seeing as how our services are generally a little short of two hours, they are appreciated. }

And we see OUR churches as community FIRST, so we normally have a good library, a bang up gym, classrooms galore, bookstore, and the newest trend is an onsite coffee shop for socialization. { Understand that 30 minutes AFTER our service ends, you will find about 30% of the congregation STILL there, greeting, meeting, socializing and getting to know each other...unlike the Indy 500 atmosphere that prevails 30 SECONDS after Mass ends...}[/quote]

Weren't you arguing about the "Vatican's Billions" not too long ago?

[Eutychus]

[quote]Weren't you arguing about the "Vatican's Billions" not too long ago? [/quote]

Uhhhh, lesseehere.....

YOU have to fly around the world, book a hotel, to visit YOUR Vatican.

You MAY do that once or twice in a lifetime.

We go to OUR church building Sunday, monday, wednesday, friday, sat morn. That is the entire family, for this or that, not all going to all, but some to this event or that event.

The church is USED, it is a community center, and gathering place mostly, kids use the gym every nite, and between all the various bible studies, mens womans, teens, etc and the other do good stuff, meals on wheels, food pantry for the poor, ... the building is under constant use just about every day of the week.

[kamiller42]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1062050' date='Sep 12 2006, 11:28 PM']
Yeah, that is what those 12 and 14 and 16 year old popes said too around that time.[/quote]
According to your sources, Pope Benedict IX was 12.

From Wikipedia...
[quote]According to the Catholic Encyclopedia [1] and other sources, [b]Benedict IX was around 18 to 20 years old when made pontiff[/b], although some sources claim 11 or 12. Entirely unsuited to be pontiff, he reportedly led an extremely dissolute life, although in terms of theology and the ordinary activities of the Church he was entirely orthodox.[/quote]
[quote]After all, by the time they got to their mid 40's, most of them were murdered, absconded, or were run out of town one step ahead of a Roman mob.
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The Catholic Church has sinners. It's true. Protestants have their fair share too.

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1062055' date='Sep 12 2006, 10:37 PM']
Uhhhh, lesseehere.....

YOU have to fly around the world, book a hotel, to visit YOUR Vatican.

You MAY do that once or twice in a lifetime.

We go to OUR church building Sunday, monday, wednesday, friday, sat morn. That is the entire family, for this or that, not all going to all, but some to this event or that event.

The church is USED, it is a community center, and gathering place mostly, kids use the gym every nite, and between all the various bible studies, mens womans, teens, etc and the other do good stuff, meals on wheels, food pantry for the poor, ... the building is under constant use just about every day of the week.


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Oh my, and here I thought people lived in Vatican City and surrounding Italy... Silly me, it's all a desolate world except for us over here in the Western Hemisphere.

I use my local Church Mon, Tues, Wednes, Thurs, Fri, Sat, and Sun... I don't mind the kneelers... as they say, Every Knee Shall Bend.

As I've said before, it has functions everyday of the week, it is open 24/7 as a place for those who have no where to sleep, ect...

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1062050' date='Sep 12 2006, 11:28 PM']

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[b]That is why they invented CATHOLIC AEROBICS!!

Stand, sit, kneel, stand, sit, kneel, stand, kneel....ONE TWO THREE FOUR....cross yourself and out the DOOR!!
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OK, UT made a funny....enjoy it while it lasts....

[mariahLVzJP2]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1061803' date='Sep 12 2006, 07:34 PM']
Given that I have NEVER stated here what my denomination happens to be, and won't, just HOW am I elevating something that is unspoken?

Just wondering.....
My my, that was certainly "charitable" wasn't it?
Fine with me, here is the style of sanctuary that I feel most comfortable with, and NO, this is NOT my church, NOR my denomination, the picture is for illustrative purposes only.

[img]http://www.msphoto.ca/images/Broadway%20Pentecostal-2.jpg[/img]
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is that really a church? how can one feel the Lord's presence in there? it looks more like a lecture hall.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='thedude' post='1061894' date='Sep 12 2006, 08:28 PM']
A bit off topic, but I think you are positing a negative reading of EENS, which is not Church teaching.

Without a doubt the Church believes it best to worship within her. We believe we are the guardian of the sacraments - a most powerful tool in reaching heaven.
[/quote]Snort. Great in theory, but it's not applied. You either have friendly 'priests' that have clown masses or dour Trad priests who won't let women in with pants and lacking a head covering. The 'CC' is a poor gaurdian of the sacraments because it's clergy doesn't know what to teach. It all depends upon the seminary they went to. No wonder one can't find the tabernacle in most of the new Cath Churches. The 'gaurdian of the Sacraments' has been placing it in the broom closet.

[Eutychus]

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is that really a church? how can one feel the Lord's presence in there? it looks more like a lecture hall. [/quote]

It is.

That is why { to use YOUR teminology } OUR people are not POORLY Catechised.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1062100' date='Sep 13 2006, 05:29 PM']
It is.

That is why { to use YOUR teminology } OUR people are not POORLY Catechised.
[/quote]Yeah, right. Who are "YOUR" people that get 'properly' catechised. I haven't seen any denomination stay consistent.