Trinity

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1064909' date='Sep 17 2006, 03:16 AM']
So I take it you consider the verse to be valid? I'm not going to argue the matter, its more something for scholars to debate, but most translations these days omit that passage or put it in the footnotes.

It's a theologically orthodox statement, and one might consider it a part of tradition, but I doubt it was part of the original letter of St. John.
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I'm not going to put myself in a position to judge what does and does not belong in Scripture. If the Douay has it in there, I accept it as Scripture. If I don't accept that, what is stopping me from doubting other Scriptures as actually being Scripture as well?

If this verse was anonymously added in by future translators or however it would have made it in there, then what is stopping many other verses from being mere "additions" and "footnotes"? How can we trust that all of Scripture is inspired if we doubt that such an important verse was not part of Scripture?

It would also kind of take away from the whole idea that Scripture is considered inspired and from God in all matters relating to faith and doctrine. If this isn't a matter of faith and doctrine of the highest importance I'm not sure what is.

Edited September 17, 2006 by goldenchild17

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you mean scripture does not clearly answer something? So we cannot believe or teach it?

what about the concept of sola scripture? that is not in scripture. Or Sola fida, or OSAS, or alter calls, or protestant eccesiology. Or tulip or communion in little plastic cups with grape juice or many other commonly accepted protestant practices and theology. Just admit. sola scripture died. You just follow a different eccesiology and tradition.

[goldenchild17]

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Sola Scriptura??? Where'd that come from? Who said anything about the Protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura?

Do you honestly think Catholicism doesn't teach the infallibility of Scripture?

Edited September 18, 2006 by goldenchild17

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I know the church teaches that scripture has authority. But we believe that because the bible as a historical book speaks of a church with authority that in turn uses that authority to say that the bible has authority. But from the bible itself we do not see sola scripture. and sola scripture and scripture prima are two different things.