What's Your Preferred Form Of Government?

[bx_racer]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1067400' date='Sep 19 2006, 08:55 PM']
exactly!

The American founders went into the Constitutional convention because of the ideals around Bacon's Rebellion. They knew the federal government needed more power to resolve some of the critical issues within and in between the states.
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correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't it shay's?

Edited December 20, 2006 by bx_racer

[Tindomiel]

[quote name='reelguy227' post='1145962' date='Dec 19 2006, 10:21 PM']
Pure Democracy in my opinion, like Ancient Greece. Where the people decide on everything. It makes sense, because that way you aren't disenfranchised by a politician who changes his mind since you voted for him. And considering the way our political system has gotten to be, with the Supreme Court running everything and stupid laws such as the Seat Belt Law being passed, pure Democracy is the way to go.
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Not trying to get into a debate, but if you look at the history of Greece, however, they did some pretty moronic things when mob hysteria got ahold of them. That's a definite disadvantage to pure democracy. I hold firmly to my opinion that no form of government will ever be perfect as long as humans are sinners. Our particular combination of democracy and republicanism, despite its faults (which I am usually the last person to minimize, goldbug will tell you ) I think is one of the most wise methods of government in that it at least tries to check the natural tendency for greed for power that will exist in any form of government.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='prose' post='1065991' date='Sep 18 2006, 01:55 PM']
Would Theocracy work?? Worked for the Calvinists in Geneva. Unfortunately it is abused in Iran.
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Also worked for the Israelites in the old testament, until they wanted a King.

I believe the only good government will be one where humans are not involved in it at all, but God leads the people, and guides the people through the righteous.

[Balthazor]

WHAT???

Where is dictatorship?
Where is Fascism?
Where is oligarcgy?

How can I vote for oligarchy if it is not on the poll?

[reelguy227]

[quote name='Tindomiel' post='1146056' date='Dec 19 2006, 09:39 PM']
Not trying to get into a debate, but if you look at the history of Greece, however, they did some pretty moronic things when mob hysteria got ahold of them. That's a definite disadvantage to pure democracy. I hold firmly to my opinion that no form of government will ever be perfect as long as humans are sinners. Our particular combination of democracy and republicanism, despite its faults (which I am usually the last person to minimize, goldbug will tell you ) I think is one of the most wise methods of government in that it at least tries to check the natural tendency for greed for power that will exist in any form of government.
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I don't want to debate either. But considering how out of hand the Supreme Court and the judicial branch in general has gotten, our form of government is obviously no better than a monarchy or a pure democracy. There is still too much power put getting put into too few hands.

[HS_Dad]

Yeah for Democracy and its supporters!!! Hurray for human dignity and being created in the image of God!!!!

Let's just hope that we work to help people conform more to noble character and democracy will function better!

[Tindomiel]

[quote name='reelguy227' post='1146763' date='Dec 21 2006, 12:28 AM']
I don't want to debate either. But considering how out of hand the Supreme Court and the judicial branch in general has gotten, our form of government is obviously no better than a monarchy or a pure democracy. There is still too much power put getting put into too few hands.
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I definitely agree that the supreme court is getting way out of hand. But they're grossly overstepping their constitutional bounds in doing so... they are only supposed to interpret the law, but they've taken to defining the law. I still think that our governmental setup is very good... I think we just need to get people into politics who'll focus on getting things back to the constitutional standard.

[Sojourner]

I do have to say that anarchists have really fun parties ...

[Tindomiel]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1146955' date='Dec 21 2006, 02:05 PM']
I do have to say that anarchists have really fun parties ...
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Molotov cocktails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And dreadlocks.....

[Anastasia13]

Republic, like the US of A. Gotta represent, you know?

[White Knight]

[quote name='reelguy227' post='1145962' date='Dec 19 2006, 09:21 PM']
Pure Democracy in my opinion, like Ancient Greece. Where the people decide on everything. It makes sense, because that way you aren't disenfranchised by a politician who changes his mind since you voted for him. And considering the way our political system has gotten to be, with the Supreme Court running everything and stupid laws such as the Seat Belt Law being passed, pure Democracy is the way to go.
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Right but theres a problem with that too, the people aren't always right, and they can sometimes be worse than one Politician who changes his or her mind. and its much easier to defeat wrong whenever its limited in numbers, such as "One" than to try to presaude a whole group or entire nation or half a nation's popluation into conciving them they are wrong.

Democracy though its a good form of government, it doesn't suit everyone.

[Tindomiel]

[quote name='White Knight' post='1147310' date='Dec 22 2006, 03:39 AM']
Right but theres a problem with that too, the people aren't always right, and they can sometimes be worse than one Politician who changes his or her mind. and its much easier to defeat wrong whenever its limited in numbers, such as "One" than to try to presaude a whole group or entire nation or half a nation's popluation into conciving them they are wrong.

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Yes, like Alexis de Tocqueville said, one of the greatest dangers in a Democratic Republic (and by inference, a democracy) is that a "tyranny of the majority" could result. Not that after FDR we're likely to have that problem any more.

Edited December 22, 2006 by Tindomiel

[reelguy227]

But still, in a pure democracy, the people get what they desire. With politicians, they can do as they please and it may not always be the will of the people.

[Tindomiel]

But there are always people in a democracy who can manipulate a crowd, can get people worked up so that they do something they might later regret. Like I mentioned before, in ancient Greece, for example, the people (at the instigation of troublemakers) were always banishing those who had many good things for Athens, and then bringing them back as soon as public opinion swayed back to normal.

[goldbug16]

Exactly.