Budge Posted September 24, 2006 Author Posted September 24, 2006 Demanding a thread be closed because you do not like the answer isnt right. I do not have time or space here to answer every question in endless cut and paste. ASK ONE question, less then 2 sentences, and Ill answer it here:
Cam42 Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 Perhaps you could start with trying to refute my postings? I have seen nothing that even smells of disproving my refutation of your whole position. Incidentally, this is not your Q & A board. You cannot presume to come here and start a Bible Study for conversion. If you attempt that you will not only fail (which would be bad for your ego) but will most likely get banned. However, this isn't so much that I don't like your answers, but rather that I know your answers to be incorrect. I have offered clear refutation to your position. Now it is your turn to try and defend your view...... Good luck. You will fail.
Budge Posted September 24, 2006 Author Posted September 24, 2006 [quote] Also, it has been shown that you do not take things in context, so if we use PROPER exegesis, we will find; rather quickly, I might add; that your personal subjective view is one built upon sand. While Cardinals Mahoney and Law most certainly are poor sinners, so were Peter (he actually denied Christ) and Paul (he actually persecuted Christians). I do believe that being upright of heart is not prerequisite of being a Christian. However, I also believe that conversion of heart is necessary and that conversion is a lifelong challenge.[/quote] Jesus taught judge by the fruits. The Catholic idea that people are to follow sinful men no matter what is wrong and to follow their sinful actions and teachings {interfaithism} is TOTALLY WRONG... Why? Paul HIMSELF, the sinner who REPENTED taught this.. 1Cr 11:1 [size=5]¶ Be ye followers of me, [u]even as I also [am] of Christ[/u].[/size]
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1073728' date='Sep 24 2006, 02:06 PM'] Demanding a thread be closed because you do not like the answer isnt right. I do not have time or space here to answer every question in endless cut and paste. ASK ONE question, less then 2 sentences, and Ill answer it here: [/quote] Budge, you have ignored me far too much for me to play by your rules. Follow the forum guidelines. This is the debate table, so debate. As for not liking your answer, that's just silly. You haven't given me an answer yet. Edited September 24, 2006 by Raphael
Budge Posted September 24, 2006 Author Posted September 24, 2006 [quote]Perhaps you could start with trying to refute my postings? I have seen nothing that even smells of disproving my refutation of your whole position. Incidentally, this is not your Q & A board. You cannot presume to come here and start a Bible Study for conversion. If you attempt that you will not only fail (which would be bad for your ego) but will most likely get banned. However, this isn't so much that I don't like your answers, but rather that I know your answers to be incorrect. I have offered clear refutation to your position. Now it is your turn to try and defend your view...... Good luck. You will fail.[/quote] I told you to go ahead and ask one question here or make one point. So go ahead. What is wrong with Bible Studies if they convert to Christ, I am a Bible believing Christian of course I will use the Bible. Telling a person in a debate "You will fail" is very prideful. Really, it comes across in a very negative fashion.
Cam42 Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1073736' date='Sep 24 2006, 12:12 PM'] I told you to go ahead and ask one question here or make one point. So go ahead. What is wrong with Bible Studies if they convert to Christ, I am a Bible believing Christian of course I will use the Bible. Telling a person in a debate "You will fail" is very prideful. Really, it comes across in a very negative fashion. [/quote] Good. That is part of the tactic. And if you had any real understanding of debate, you'd see that you are failing it. Good, you are learning. The error in Bible Study is that if the exegesis is incorrect, because of lack of knowledge, then it converts no one, but misleads him/her. Ironically, I am a Bible believeing Christian as well. If you'd take the time to read my posts, you'd see that I either directly quote Sacred Scripture or refer to it very often. However, the Sacred Scriptures are only part of the deposit of faith not the sum.
CatholicCid Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1073736' date='Sep 24 2006, 12:12 PM'] Really, it comes across in a very negative fashion. [/quote] Please put a warning next time you post such stuff... I fell off my chair and it hurt. Edited September 24, 2006 by CatholicCid
Budge Posted September 24, 2006 Author Posted September 24, 2006 [quote] The error in Bible Study is that if the exegesis is incorrect, because of lack of knowledge, then it converts no one, but misleads him/her. Ironically, I am a Bible believeing Christian as well. If you'd take the time to read my posts, you'd see that I either directly quote Sacred Scripture or refer to it very often. [u]However, the Sacred Scriptures are only part of the deposit of faith not the sum.[/u] [/quote] The underlined part is where we disagree. Gods Word is my guide, you have all these other competing guides so oftentimes dispute what God's Word DIRECTLY says.
homeschoolmom Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 We, too, believe in the authority of God's Word-- the written word and the oral word handed down in tradition. (So did the apostles, by the way...)
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1073747' date='Sep 24 2006, 02:22 PM'] The underlined part is where we disagree. Gods Word is my guide, you have all these other competing guides so oftentimes dispute what God's Word DIRECTLY says. [/quote] No, you simply do not understand what God's word says. At your level of understanding, even the Bible contradicts itself. It is like a woman who has very tan legs and very white arms. A coworker sees a contradiction, but her husband sees deeper and knows where the lines are drawn. Interesting, the husband/coworker analogy really works on so many levels. The Bible agrees that the Bible is not the only source, by the way. Edited September 24, 2006 by Raphael
homeschoolmom Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 [quote name='Raphael' post='1073762' date='Sep 24 2006, 01:32 PM'] Interesting, the husband/coworker analogy really works on so many levels. [/quote]
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1073764' date='Sep 24 2006, 02:34 PM'] [/quote] Seriously...it does. The Church knows the Scriptures much more intimately than anyone else.
homeschoolmom Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 I know, I was just chuckling because that was the second (albeit different) such analogy I've seen from you today.
Budge Posted September 24, 2006 Author Posted September 24, 2006 I think the best analogy is church as the bride which is the language scripture uses... Who is the harlot, cheating with other lovers? Who loves the world more then Christ?
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1073768' date='Sep 24 2006, 02:36 PM'] I think the best analogy is church as the bride which is the language scripture uses... Who is the harlot, cheating with other lovers? Who loves the world more then Christ? [/quote] Fair enough. It's just an analogy. The woman can be the Church and the man can be Christ. The Church knows Christ better because she knows Him intimately. As regards your question, the Church loves Christ far more than the world. That is why she is willing to sustain the blows of anti-Catholic persons like yourself who would crucify Christ again.
Cam42 Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1073747' date='Sep 24 2006, 12:22 PM'] [quote]The error in Bible Study is that if the exegesis is incorrect, because of lack of knowledge, then it converts no one, but misleads him/her. Ironically, I am a Bible believeing Christian as well. If you'd take the time to read my posts, you'd see that I either directly quote Sacred Scripture or refer to it very often. [u]However, the Sacred Scriptures are only part of the deposit of faith not the sum.[/u][/quote] The underlined part is where we disagree. Gods Word is my guide, you have all these other competing guides so oftentimes dispute what God's Word DIRECTLY says. [/quote] [i]emphasis is yours; reality is mine[/i] Would you care to show me where the Bible says that the Bible is the sum of all theological knowledge? And who gave us the Bible? By the way, there is a difference between promulgation and inspiration.....please don't confuse the two; because we agree about one and most likely disagree about the other.
Norseman82 Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1073728' date='Sep 24 2006, 01:06 PM'] ASK ONE question, less then 2 sentences, and Ill answer it here: [/quote] [color="#33CC00"]Whoa, whoa, whoa...time out.... Let's get something straight here. YOU are a GUEST here. You DO NOT boss us around in our own house. It's high time you start behaving like a proper guest.[/color] [quote name='Budge' post='1073728' date='Sep 24 2006, 01:06 PM'] I do not have time or space here to answer every question in endless cut and paste. [/quote] [color="#33CC00"]Funny, that never stopped you before......[/color] [img]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b61/Norseman82/80e025f2.jpg[/img]
Norseman82 Posted September 24, 2006 Posted September 24, 2006 [quote name='Norseman82' post='1072695' date='Sep 23 2006, 12:43 PM'] OK Budge, If you are going to be camping out on that verse and taking it super-literally, then how do you reconcile it with Colossians 1:24, the verse about how Paul makes up in his own flesh "that which is lacking in the sufferings of Christ"? How can Christ's sufferings and death be both sufficient and lacking within the same Bible? If we go with your interpretation, the the Bible contradicts itself. EVERYONE: please let Budge answer this. [/quote] [color="#33CC00"]for Budge[/color]
Budge Posted September 24, 2006 Author Posted September 24, 2006 Why do you believe that verse means what Christ did on the cross was insufficient? Dont you remember that Christians are used for God? That all good comes from God? I belive Catholics are really stretching this verse to claim it defends their co-redeemer teachings. [quote] Whoa, whoa, whoa...time out.... Let's get something straight here. YOU are a GUEST here. You DO NOT boss us around in our own house. It's high time you start behaving like a proper guest.[/quote] This isnt a house, its a message board. :
Norseman82 Posted September 25, 2006 Posted September 25, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1073979' date='Sep 24 2006, 05:51 PM'] Why do you believe that verse means what Christ did on the cross was insufficient? [/quote] [color="#33CC00"]The use of the word "lacking". If you want to take the bible superliterally, it can be either sufficient or lacking, not both.[/color] [quote name='Budge' post='1073979' date='Sep 24 2006, 05:51 PM'] This isnt a house, its a message board. [/quote] [color="#33CC00"]You know perfectly well what we mean.[/color] Edited September 25, 2006 by Norseman82
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